(heavy static noise)All right. Uh, welcome back after summer break, everybody, and, uh, bear with us here a little bit today, given the complete change and upgrade on the AV system. So, it might take me a bit to get used to it. I wanna thank everybody that had a part in getting the renovation done. Uh, we replaced all of the AV here in the, in the chamber, which was set, uh, well beyond its end of life, and, uh, hopefully that will help when people gauge online, as a lot of that's been improved as well. Um, but there is a little... It's quite a bit different up here, so, uh, our first meeting with it, uh, there may be a few hiccups. So with that, I'll call the regular meeting of the township council for Monday, September 15th to order. Of course, I'd like to begin by acknowledging the traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples, and in particular, acknowledge our valued relationships with the Katzie, Kwantlen, Lekwungen, and Semiahmoo First Nations. Uh, Ms. Bauer, there are no proposed amendments to the agenda, is that correct? That is correct. That's correct, yeah. So I'll get a motion to adopt the agenda. Moved by Councillor Pratt, seconded by Councillor Ferguson. Uh, Mr. Mayor? A point of information. Uh, s- please to... Go ahead. Oh, thank you. Can you hear me? I just wanted to apologize to council. I've got some, uh, jerseys on the side. I know it- it is not the quorum of the council chamber. I will be taking them down right now. It's just an indication of the Derry Bucs for 45 years, and his last statement, say finish it. If he ha- if he can't finish it, he's gonna leave it up to the public to finish. So I will be taking that down, but I wanted to apologize to, to council. Thank you. All right. Okay, so... All right. So we'll call the vote on A1. Councillor Bailey? Carries unanimously. We'll move on to item B1, regular council meeting minutes from July 21st. Moved by Councillor Rentz, seconded by Councillor Bailey. Any discussion on those? Ms. Bauer, how do I... Doesn't give me the option to start the voting. You did that automatically? Uh, yes, I did. You did? So could you let me do it just to make sure? Sure. 'Cause otherwise- Mm-hmm. Okay. 'Cause until we get used to this. All right. Councillor Pratt, you need to vote. I said yes online. So did you vote against it? No, I said yes online. Ms. Bauer, it's... So you can change it. So Councillor Pratt voted in favor of the minutes from July 21st. Okay, we're gonna move on to the first delegation item, C1. I don't want to pronounce this incorrectly, so Van Trio? Yeah, please come forward. Um, so can... The first time, so do I just start talking? Yeah, if you could just introduce yourself to council and then you have five minutes, so, uh, please go ahead. Okay. Um, my name is Van. I'm here on behalf of my dad who can't rep- represent himself because of the language barrier, in regards to a reconsideration of a tree penalty he received. Um, I'm sorry, I don't know how to do the PowerPoint. Um, I- I will- I will do without if I have to. I was just getting started. Um... So someone from IT is gonna come down and help you. Okay. That's good to know. Yeah. You're the first delegate on a brand new system, so apologize for that. There we go. Okay, sounds good. Thank you. Um, so some background information. Um, in 2022, he rented his house to his current tenant who later brought up the dangerous condition of the trees. Um, the trees in question were dead during the time of the incident as confirmed by township staff. One had even fallen over already. Due to the dangerous conditions, we had a business come in to reduce the height of the trees so that the center of gravity is lowered and there's less chance of it falling. Um, and that was just the tenant, um, asking it. So our intentions for the tree cutting really had no benefit at all besides safety. Um, it was a very costly job, and our only concern was about the safety of the tenant. In fact, the tree cutter actually increased the price by around 30% because the condition of the tree was very dangerous at the time. We know ignorance is not a defense, but my dad had relied on the expertise of a licensed professional tree company. The business said a permit was only required for live trees, and my dad trusted them since they were the expert, and it made sense that dead trees did not need a permit. When the tenants hit my mom and we consulted a lawyer, we had briefly talked about this too, and he had also wrongly assumed that trees didn't need a permit. So what may seem to be common knowledge to the people of the township is actually really not. Um, and then we also bring up the question of fairness because why would the business mislead my dad? Because honestly, they don't get penalized when they do something like this. In other cities like New West who have similar wordings as the township bylaw, outcome depends on the circumstance and all parties can be held accountable. As conf... However, as confirmed by the bylaws department here, only property owners ever get fined for any tree cutting that happens.Also troubling is that the tenant mentioned that they had showed the bylaw officer a tree that they had cut themselves a pre- few months prior on the same day of the inspection, um, that they have done without our knowledge or consent beforehand, and they did not get any fine and it didn't even get recorded down by the officer that came by. So honestly, at this point, we had thought initially that the bylaw applied to everybody but it didn't seem to be the case in this, um, incident. In other, um, in addition, there were also other concerns that we have. For example, Officer McCrary only recorded the tenant's narrative without taking note of any of the things that we told him. Um, there was also gaps in communication. The tenant told us the officer seemed like had understood that the- the trees were in very bad condition when he came by, which gave this, the impression that things could have been resolved informally. Later, when speaking with the officer, then same impression was given and he said, "Someone will phone us and we can just share our side of the story." Um, however, instead of that, no phone call was made or received, uh, and we just got a fee letter a couple weeks later leaving us blindsided and feeling misled. Um, it really became evident that verbal communication can't be relied on so we did start recording all the communication that we had with the township staff, um, and we identified like many other times where wrong information was given. For example, the letter states that the fee was based on a second inspection they did, which, um, we had requested a copy for many times which we, we did not get, until finally, um, we put in an FOI request and we got it and we confirmed that the second inspection actually never got done. All this raised serious questions about fairness, proper s- procedure, communication, and staff conduct. We're not asking for the penalties to be waived like completely without review but based on everything we've shared, we're really ex- hopefully respectfully asking for reconsideration of the penalties, especially the tree that fell on its own and a review of our case. Or at least for us to get more time to review everything and prov- And I don't know- Okay. Sorry, I messed up. It's all right. Um, to put together and present the supporting arguments and finding and get an office report to show the trees were in dangerous condition which would qualify us for the immediate failure exemption because at this point we are still confused about many things. We are still unsure why a tree that had fallen on its own was penalized, what the first offers have even used to determine the condition of the tree when they were not able to access the con- the property, why only f- property owners get fined, why bylaw... like what bylaw exemption other groups... okay, what bylaw exempts other groups like business from getting penalized and more. Thank you. Um- I do have one, uh, question from council, so we'll carry on with that. Uh, Councilor Kunst, go ahead. Hi there. Um, so first of all I respect the fact that you want to help out your dad. Um, just do you have any information as to how much the penalty was and, and when did this happen? Like how long ago was it? It happened in May, um, and the penalty was for 13,700. And how many trees was that for? Total? Yeah. Yep. Yeah, so his car It's okay. (clears throat) So there, an attempt to change and turn on three microphones at the same time is not working. So we're gonna... And then turning on the delegate's microphone turns off Councilor Kunst's microphone. Uh, yes, I believe we did that in order to have the councilor's microphone switched- Yeah, so you'll make note of that- It apparently affected the delegate, so we'll definitely- ... for the next meeting because obviously the intent is not for that to happen to the delegate. Yes. Yes. Yes. We'll make sure we take a look at that. All right, so how do we get both mics on at the same time? I watch very carefully and make sure I turn it on for the moment and we're gonna figure that one out for you. Okay, 'cause I can't get them both back on at the same time. (laughs) Obviously you should have done a mock delegation along with a mock council meeting. (laughs) I will do my best to make sure I keep up. That's unfortunately the best I can get right at the moment. Just turning mine off So you can change. No, no I did try that. Should I turn... Oh, I am on, okay. (clears throat) So Councilor Kunst your microphone's on. Did you have something to say and then I'll switch back to the delegate? Yeah, no those are my questions. I... And I think you've answered them. Thank you. Okay, so I now have the delegate's microphone on. We have another speaker from council, our Councilor Ferguson. Go ahead. Oh yeah, thank you. Thank you for coming. Um, just some kind of s- simple question. The delegation form is, um, Van True, that's yourself, you live in Surrey? Okay, and the house you're talking about obviously is in, in Langley. And- My dad. You've just given us a tree by... We'll have to research that. Um, the address is really not on the, um, delegation request, but that's all right. Uh, the next thing you asked about, um, com- uh, information regarding another person had a sick tree cut by a tenant. Well, usually tenants aren't responsible for cutting trees down so if they did that on somebody's property, that's usually, um, something for the residential tenancy branch. So that's something a tenant shouldn't be doing, anything to damage a person's property. And you also asked for a business or something that was allowed and no permit. You didn't give the name of the business or the address of the business.Sorry, five minutes was very limited so I really condensed it. Um, so the business name is, um, Nick's Tree Cutting and Landscaping, I believe. Um, I didn't have the address. But you can do that at a later point in time. You can send that to, to staff or the mayor and council or to somebody here in the building. The cler... Just let, phone the clerk up and, and that. And I guess that was basically it. It's just a clarification of what did happen. But thank you very much for coming. Yeah. Uh, thank you. Over here. And thank you very much for delegating. I'm sorry with, um, some of the audio challenges that we were having. Um, I believe you were... You said there was three trees that were cut down, but I missed the, um, what you were, uh, the penalty was, the financial penalty for that. Um, so the penalty was 13,700 total. Oh. That, that's good. Thank you very much. That was my question. Okay. Good. Thank you. Should we sit down? Okay. Okay. So there are no other questions from council, thank you very much. The process now will be council will consider your delegation, uh, later on in the meeting. Okay. Thank you very much. Next delegation, uh, C2 from Yoruba Social and Cultural Association. And I... Please come forward. I don't wanna pronounce your name incorrectly, so if you, you can come and introduce yourself to council, and then you have five minutes. Thank you so much. Okay, great. Uh, thank you so much. I would like to... Okay, great. Thank you. Uh, my name is Ade. I'm from the Yoruba Social and Cultural Association of BC, and also the Metro Vancouver Black Business Expo. I currently also live here in the Township of Langley. Uh, thank you so much. Uh, my first time at the, at the council and I'm excited to be here. So thank you so much for the great work you do in the community. Uh, today I'll be making a presentation about the Metro Vancouver Black Business Expo. I'll be talking about the, uh, the vision, uh, behind this program, uh, the contributions of the, uh, expo and the Black-owned businesses and other minority-owned businesses, and also, uh, the plans we have for the expo for this year. Uh, thank you. Uh, so about the Metro Vancouver Black Business Expo. About three years ago, uh, specifically on October 22nd, 2022, uh, we started the Metro Vancouver Black Business Expo. And the vision is to, uh, get Black-owned businesses and other minority-owned businesses, uh, to showcase, uh, their business, uh, to the community. It serve, uh, serves as a platform for networking, uh, learning and collaboration. Uh, currently the expo is hosted, uh, in partnership with the Surrey, um, White Rock, uh, Board of Trade. And I do say that since it's Metro Vancouver Black Business Expo, I definitely look forward to the future when we also host the expo, uh, here, uh, in, within the Township of Langley. Uh, in the last three editions, we s- we have featured about 136 exhibitors, uh, from about 12, uh, different, uh, countries. Uh, the expo do provide us an opportunity to highlight the contributions of the businesses within the community. Uh, most importantly, it provides access to new markets. Uh, in the last three editions, we've had great success stories of about 20 new businesses who have developed, uh, uh... Very much to highlight that, uh, we do have, for example, one of our business owners who is building a youth incubator hub and has been able to get lots of youth at-risks out of the, uh, uh, from their var- various, uh, vulnerable positions. And now they are currently in a, in a training program learning how to program software development, machine learning in IT. And that's just to highlight one of the, uh, success we've had from the expo. Uh, the expo continues to provide economic growth and job creation and in- innovation, uh, across the, uh, various cities. Uh, also, it also serves as a boost, uh, to the community to create new hubs, uh, especially with the various, uh, trade wars we have going on right now. Definitely supporting, uh, businesses is, it's in the right direction, and we definitely want to, uh, seek more collaboration from the council, uh, in that regard. Uh, for this year, we are scheduled to host the expo on October 18th, uh, at Surrey City Hall. Uh, we do anticipate about 300 attendees. And what we're gonna have this year, we're gonna have some few new business owners who are kickstarting, uh, their career. For example, we have some business owners starting a cybersecurity application. We do have another business owner starting a, a career mentorship program using artificial intelligence on truck career. We do have a f- about two farmers who actually have... They grow their crops and they-... get that crop back to the markets, and also that provides consumption to the community. Uh, we are also going to have various workshops on entrepreneurship, uh, marketing and growth. Uh, one of the reasons why we decide to approach Council, firstly, is to say since it's Metro Vancouver, uh, I believe that it's good for us to come to Council to also present, uh, this idea we've been, uh, doing for the last, uh, three years. Uh, in addition, we'd like to also seek the Council's, uh, support for this year's, uh, Expo. Uh, I know there is an economic development team, uh, within the Council to which I've written some emails to, to try to also connect with. Uh, we would like to see if we can have a delegation from that team to also attend the Expo this year. Uh, with the view to be able to, uh, you know, cut across bridges and provide some form of collaboration for these, uh, businesses, uh, within the community. Uh, most times, we get questions from these business owners to say, how can they collaborate with the city on various programs they are doing. For example, like the Incubator Hub, uh, that I mentioned. That's a very good, uh, business owner trying to, uh, support the youth attraction in the community. So, that collaboration would be very great for us and the community. And, uh, in addition, apart from the p- uh, proclamation, which, uh, is in the, uh... We would also like to, uh, see how we can work hand-in-hand with the economic team on, uh, on, I mean, a form of information decks within the Council, which we can always, uh, take back later. I know my time is coming up, but I would like to say thank you so much. And when you think of the Metro Vancouver Expo, think of it as an expo to support all minority-owned businesses, not just Black-owned businesses. Uh, thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you so much for your delegation and, uh, um, I'll ch- check my calendar later to see if I can make it. And, and in Surrey City Hall, in terms of Metro Vancouver Expo, um, what led to the decision to host it in Surrey? Oh, thank you so much. So, the very first year was quite very challenging, and we had, uh, issues with space, accessibility, and all of that. So, uh, Surrey was one of the first location that we've, we were able to locate and get a venue very quickly. Uh, so in the last two years, we've had the last two series also in Surrey, but then, uh, as we continue to get more comfortable, right now, we developed from about f- f- 100 attendance in the first year. Now, last year we were about 500. Now, we have about 136 businesses. We, we decided to say it's time for us to, for us to expand and share this vision across board. I don't know if you've heard about the Expo before today, but I, I believe that it's good for us to come in here, present this idea, and see how we can work with the various cities, uh, going forward to see how we can at least move the Expo around and promote that, uh, support for business owners across board. Our members live across, you know, all the cities. I personally, I live here in Township of Langley on 76 Bee Avenue, but I do believe that many business owners I know of personally are even within, uh, Township of Langley to across board. So, the idea is that we should be able to get the Expo to move from different locations to showcase this, uh, uh, support to the community. All right. Thank you. And if you'd, um, e- ever be interested in, in hosting, uh, one of the future events at the Langley Event Centre, I think we would be... We'd welcome you with open arms and think that would be fabulous if you would consider that at some point in the future. Oh, thank you so much, I guess- Thank you so much. So, uh, the Council has your presentation slides in front of it, and, uh, the process would be to consider the delegation for, uh, further into the meeting. So, thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much. Uh, next delegation is, uh, C3 from Marcel Horn, Langley United Soccer Association. I bought that on my way in. Um, how are you guys doing today? Marcel Horn, I'm your executive director for Langley United. I just wanted to take a moment, um, w- w- coming into the start of the fall season where we are just enjoying the opening of, uh, Smyth Athletic Park. This past weekend, we had GrassRoots at full swing, 300 little boots on the hour, turning across all three fields. It was magical to, uh, see that come to fruition. Prior to that in July, uh, a really magical moment happened, uh, for Langley, uh, as a township and Langley United as an association. We'd approached Council a year prior to endorse our nonprofit association, uh, to challenge, uh, gaining access to a franchise in the League 1, so Semi-Pro League. And it's a nationwide program where we are the only one in the Canadian, in all of Canada that is a, uh, non-profit association holding this franchise. In our inaugural year, in the, uh, uh, climax moment in the 95th minute, our, uh, very own, uh, Langley homegrown captain, uh, we took home the trophy. So, we won, uh, the, the, the League 1, uh, Cup, uh, in our inaugural year. And what's key for that is it really solidified, uh, player pathway, uh, from, uh, GrassRoots all the way through to Semi-Pro. Uh, Brodie, who is our team captain, he was a Langley United player, played through from the ages of 11, went on to play in LaLiga 4 in Europe, came back to SFU to further his studies, and was our first signing. And then you've got the images of him hosting this, uh, cup. So, the pathway comes alive that you've helped furnish. So, uh, I wanted to come here before Council, and mayor and Council, and express our gratitude on behalf of our 7,000, approaching 7,000 members between adults, uh, moms and dads, and, uh, you fours and up, for furnishing a safe haven to play. Uh, next year's a big year. We host the, uh, World Cup in Canada. And this, uh, league win that, uh, Langley went through, uh, earns us a berth in the Canadian Cup. And the Canadian Championship will be played in April and May. So, when, uh, soccer is on the world stage...... Canada is hosting games. Uh, our facilities, our efforts to future-proof, uh, safe sport here in our community, and attract families and attract investment, uh, stands tall and proud. Uh, so the legacy and the next chapter, uh, soccer teaches us you don't stop fighting till the final second. And this story this year reminds every family, player, and supporter in Langley that the greatest moments come to those who trust in the process. They put in the work and never give up. So as we've stepped onto these new pitches at, uh, Smith Athletic, and we eye greater honors and mark our centennial next year, as 100 years of providing soccer, we do so as League One champions and a beacon for what local football can be and what it can achieve. We've updated our motto now for Langley, is, "Where dreams take root and champions are made. Soccer for life." Thank you very much. Yeah. Thanks for coming here today. A couple of questions from council. But I, I did want to congratulate you again, on winning the championship in your first season. And what a monumental task it is just to get the team up and running, from the little that I know about it, to- (laughs) ... uh, a- achieving that result. And having Langley, from what I understand, Langley-trained players being critical to that success with the pathway that you mentioned from, from starting very young all the way now to potentially playing for, uh, VFC even, is a possibility for, for Langley youth. Yeah. It, it's amazing to see the, uh, the dreams be able to unfold. And you have to realize, soccer is the world's largest classroom outside of the four box and a roof. You're out there, you're learning to strive, to win together, to lose together- (laughs) ... to expect the most out of your teammates. Um, and, uh, soccer's become a national program. It's linear in expectations. All coaches, we have over 400 volunteer coaches that are dedicating 23 weeks a year, two times a night and weekends too, furthering the education of the youth in our community. So we stand proud. This, uh, this is a beacon to achieve it, brings eyes and attention on the program and what went on differently here in Langley. The support we had upfront here from our council and mayor, to even endorse access to the fields, the technical leadership that has grown from within, and seeing a Langley youth who has been around the world to play soccer hosting that, hoisting that trophy in July was phenomenal. Epic moment. Yeah. Congratulations again. Thank you. I'll start with questions from council. Uh, Councillor Kindest. Yeah. Congratulations. That's a pretty fancy trophy. Um, I had the pleasure actually this, uh, few days ago to bring my granddaughter up to the fields. She's one of your newest, uh, participants in LUSA. So she was proud to wear the jersey and to be a, a LUSA player. So I look forward to watching many games up at, on those, uh, fields, and other fields around Langley. So congratulations. Well, thank you very much. Yeah, thank you. And, uh, yeah, congratulations. Um, what, what's the age group of the team that would've won this trophy? So this goes from, uh, about the ages of 18 up through into the mid-20s. Okay. And so do we have a, a wom- a women's team? There is, yes. Yes. Okay. So we... Good point. I apologize for that. So we- No, no, don't apologize, actually. In League One, we have the, the men's and the women's. Our women's finished, in their inaugural year, mid-pack fifth, which was a phenomenal outi- outing, you know. It was, a couple games went away from them, kept them from being up in third place. Uh, but both, uh, men's and women's actually stood out. You know, the, when you enter a... As the, the mayor pointed out, it's tough to pull a team together, pull a technical staff, the logistics, and to find any degree of success is phenomenal. Yeah. So both men and women found great stride. Yeah. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Well done. And, um, I, I too, uh, I was happy to be there at the, um, the opening of phase one of the park, and it's beautiful. And, um, I've been back a few times since then- (laughs) ... and, and it's, it's hopping, it's busy, and it's being well used already. And it's, um, really exciting times for soccer in, uh, Langley. So thank you for all that you do, your advocacy for the soccer community. It's great. I appreciate it. I promise you, a year from now, you'll reflect backwards and not know how we made out without Smith Athletic online. It's phenomenal to see it there on a weekend, just buzzing right into the evening. Yeah, for sure. Councillor Ferguson. Uh, thank you for coming, Mr. Horne, Marcel, uh, for coming. That's a great trophy there, uh, that you've got. And, uh, you know, um, all my kids played soccer, of course, and, um, you know, uh, I don't, I won't, I don't wanna talk about the first all-weather field (laughs)- (laughs) ... but I, I- I still have scars. I was here. Anyway, how many we got now? That's a test for you. For- All-weather fields in Langley. Uh, oh, I'm gonna say 14, but I might be- I think it... I think it's 14. Yes, I believe it's 14. And, uh, you know, we are certainly am- a, um, soccer community, and, uh, probably we're competing with those people that have more people that live in their community than us. And we're doing our best. And, um, my favorite thing is, I think I must be 50% duck. (laughs) Because my favorite days are watching my kids play soccer in the pouring rain on those, you know, non-all, non-all-weather fields (laughs). You know, back in that time too, uh, soccer was only a seasonal sport, and now it is a 365, uh, 12 months, four-season sport. That's right. And a great testament to what we're framing out to facilitate that. And I think that it becomes, as I said, a year-round classroom. What the, uh, the coaches are providing for opportunity for the youth, and the youth are rising to that challenge. It's a wonderful s- So quick housekeeping question. Boys and girls, how many, uh, registering, or how many people? Uh, for, for... Without the adult program contingents, which in itself is north of, uh, six to 800 actually, I think it'll cap at 800 this year. Uh, I saw the numbers right now, we had, for fall registrations, we had, uh, just under 3,300. Um, and that matched our spring. So we're, we're just kissing 7,000, uh, members for the full season. And then, we have the newest contingencies, the adult teams. You know, the, uh, it used to... Soccer used to be a pyramid in our community. You had a big base and they have little boots. And as they got older, to that 17, 18 age group, work and jobs and education took over. Today, it's a pillar.... the retention is phenomenal, hence the pressures on our facilities, where you can put 100 U-40, U-8 boots on one field, one on Smith on the hour. I can only put 36 of a U-14 or U-15. And where I don't have that taper off anymore when I have that man- many teams, that made more people coming to the pitches. It's grown that need significantly, but that's the transition you see here, where it's become a world-stage moment. And I promise you, with the, the momentum that we'll carry next year with the hosting of the World Cup in North America, the visibility and the inspiration and then all these new families coming into Langley, understanding the s- the facility, the s- the scale of facilities and accessibility they have, it's going to erupt again in our, in our climate here for soccer. Thank you much. Thank you. All right. Next speaker, Councilor Pratt. Yeah, thank you very much and congratulations. It's, uh, it's pretty cool to see 12, 13 years- (laughs) ... being at Langley United and never having a pathway like that to be able to compete. So it, it's awesome to see that there's kids now who have that opportunity. Um, obviously, with being in the pyramid where you are, compared to VFC, MLS, when you go into CanChamp next season, um, you know, you'll be fighting some, some big boys, but how do you think the chances are against a team like VFC if we draw them? I hope to draw them, and I hope to, uh, make Langley proud. There's one La- there's one name I'd like to see on top of the, uh, the score sheet. Okay. Just saying. (laughs) Thanks very much. Thank you. Uh, next speaker, Councilor Bailey. Go ahead. Yeah, thanks for coming a- and congratulations, Mr. Horne. Um, in a different sport, I was, uh, privileged enough to, uh, see both my sons, uh, go to university and have scholarships and all that kind of stuff. I'm curious, in, uh, in LUSA, do you have a pathway, uh, where kids can possibly go and get their education through scholarships and that, both Canada and the US? And, um, and if so, have you had any, uh, s- any success in getting some of your players into scholarships? Yeah, that's a terrific question. Yes, we have. Uh, you know, honestly, SFU has been one that's been appointed down in the States. Uh, we have great technical leadership through Azad and Chelsea for the men's and the women's. And they have chaperoned multitude of, uh, coach sightings and player placement over the years, not just this past few years, but over the last decade. Um, ourselves, LUSA, we, we pride ourselves on promoting a small scholarship from the club and association, but behind the scenes, we have educational seminars where we're bringing in the graduating youth, the U-17 and U-18s, expose them to the schools, bring them out, bring the coaches in, and try to find that lineage. So it is a, a major component. What this does is this allows even European sight lines beyond the US. So, uh, Brodie Thomas, who was our captain who always hoisted this, he had gone abroad. He had gone from, um, uh, LUSA into the Prem... adult, um, the Premier League, then over to La Liga EFR and then he came back to SFU, where he had been, I believe, the top goal scorer. He was... uh, he had injury time this year in our season, but he was still number two in scoring, but then dehoisted, so it was a full circle moment for him. And now he's a coach in our club, mentoring the youth as well. Yeah, because if, if clubs do have those kind of programs where you can prep kids for, uh, what they're gonna run into in scholarship situations, and, and, uh, you know, uh, I'm more... unfortunately, I'm more familiar with the US colleges and, uh, how to prep kids up in that. And, uh, yeah, as long as you've got, you've got that, it, it, uh, it greatly improves the chance of success and the longevity of, uh, kids in scholarships. Uh, Council may not, uh, be aware that Langley United, um, hosts, and we bring a team every year, uh, to Europe, into Spain, and we train in the National Training Center. We expose them to, uh, the European way of football to give them and the parents that are seeking that next level of higher play sight lines for that side as well. You know, there have been obviously some challenges as of late with our US southern counterparts and some administrative and travel concerns, so Europe has definitely been, uh, a, a strength in our, in our book, and will probably be leaned on even greater in the future. Well, thanks and congratulations on winning in your first year in the league is, uh, something not many pe- and organizations achieve. Appreciate that. Thank you. So thanks again for coming here today. And, uh, again, congratulations and, and everything you're doing. I mean, though some of those, uh, numbers that you quoted are pretty phenomenal and, and they're growing, continuing to grow and expand every year with, uh, significant per capita student populations, as, you know, I've been talking a bit about, but also, you know, the retention that you mentioned as well. The demand for, for sport in our community is, uh, is extreme, and it's continuing to grow. One of the best things I've seen is the Mom and Dads program. You know, the kids have gone, they come to bed, and the moms and dads come out in the evenings, and they've been playing. That's been a neat cycle moment, but I appreciate it, Mr. Mayor and Council. Thank you for your ongoing support and kind words today. Yeah. Appreciate that, and thank you again for coming. Thank you. Any... Um, does anybody wish to process the delegations, uh, rather than have the delegates wait until later on in the meeting? I'm happy to have anybody who wishes to do that. Um, Councilor Richter. Uh, yes, I'd like to move a referral of C1, uh, to staff for- Is there a seconder for that? I'll second. Seconded by Councilor Kunst. Uh, is there any discussion? Seeing none, call the... That didn't work, Ms. Bauer. Clicking "Voting Session Start" doesn't work. Uh, do you have it now, sir? I didn't hear that, sir. I'm sorry, do you have one now or... Yeah, we had a motion on the floor, no speaker's side, voting session start didn't work. Okay, I just opened one for you. It should be there now. Yeah. So, uh, do you have to do that or can I do that? I can put it on. 'Cause it wouldn't work over here. Uh, but I can put it on, but I think you can start it. I just think I hadn't... I didn't have it up yet. Okay. All right.So we need votes from Councilor Bailey, Councilor Ferguson, and Councilor Rint. Yeah. Councilor Ferguson? Great, and that carries unanimously. Anybody wish to move a motion regarding the second delegation, uh, C2? I'll make the same motion then to refer delegation C2 to staff for a report, seconded by Councilor Pratt. Is there any discussion on that referral? The same problem, Ms. Bauer, can't call start. And so, we'll get that resolved, but, uh- Yeah. ... I need you all to do it on this end, so, um, so we still need Councilor Kunze then Councilor Ferguson. Councilor Ferguson, yep. And that also carries, uh, unanimously. So for the two delegates, uh, your delegations have been referred to staff for a follow-up with council on the requests that you've made. So thank you again for both coming here today. All right, so... Oh, I just have (whispers) Uh, go, go ahead. Um, sometimes when delegate, delegates leave, they're confused as to what just happened (laughs). So if someone can make sure that they understand before they leave. Yeah. What that means. So what you'd want, Ms. Bauer, have a member of Legislative Service meet them in the lobby- Thank you. ... and explain that, uh, the referral back to staff generates a report to council to consider the requests that you made in your delegations. Okay? All right. Thank you for that. So, Ms. Bauer, our next item is E1, Infrastructure Renewal Program and Policy, deferred, uh, to this meeting. It's back on the floor, Ms. Bauer. Yes, that is correct. It was deferred so it has already been moved forward. Yeah, so I'm gonna move deferral again to November 3rd, seconded by Councilor Rint. Seeing no speakers, call the question on that deferral. That carries unanimously. Item C2, proposed 2026 Council calendar. I'll move the recommendation, seconded by Councilor Pratt. I'm gonna also move deferral to November 3rd, is there a seconder to that? Seconded by Councilor, uh, Rint. Is there any more discussion on that deferral? Seeing none, call the question on that deferral. Councilor, yeah, go, and that also carries unanimously. Items E3, World Cup 2026 Viewing Events, uh, move the recommendation, is there a seconder to that? Seconded by Councilor Rint. Is there any discussion on the recommendation under E3? Councilor Richter. Uh, yes, I'm just wondering if staff could please, uh, clarify what the total cost of this will be. Um, on page E3, it seems that it could be as high as 5.49 million for what would probably be maybe four viewing events? Um, I understanding that correctly? Through your worship, to Councilor Richter, on page three of the report, it does provide a summary of the estimated costs for replacement and new screens. Uh, some of the screens do require replacements in the e- in the event viewing parties are to proceed. But they would require replacement in any event. Um, and some of the new facilities as well, that would require screens for sports user groups or, um, subsequent, uh, user groups that would be using those facilities. So it's a combination, uh, of the two. Okay. So if this is passed, will staff be actually going out and spending 5.49 million? And if so, what accounts? Through your worship, to Councilor Richter, uh, staff are not authorized to spend that money at this time. Uh, staff are providing a summary of the estimated costs for replacement and new screens. Uh, staff, uh, the only, uh, direction given by council pursuant to this report is just to work with, uh, a- and cooperate with local soccer clubs, community partners, and various organizing committees, uh, in an attempt to secure rights for, uh, viewing, uh, the, uh, FIFA World Cup. Okay, and what would the cost of obtaining those rights be? Uh, through your worship, to Councilor Richter, we're still, um, in the initial discussions. Uh, we don't have a cost estimate yet. In the event we do have one, it would be coming before council, uh, with the cost estimate. Uh, it- it's too early to, uh, uh, provide an estimate. Okay, thank you. Councilor Ferguson? Yeah, thank you. Um, I think many of us are studying what's going on in the news regarding the, um, the FIFA World Cup, and it's exciting. But in that, if I may, a question through the chair to, uh, staff perhaps. Anyway, uh, I understand that if we wanted to have one of those, uh, teams come out to Langley and just kick the ball, they'll have a practice or something like that, that we could view upon, perhaps you can tell me what was requested of us if we were to do that, if I may, through the chair. Um, as far as the actual training for teams, uh, there was quite a process led by FIFA for throughout, uh, Mexico, US, and Canada. Uh, there was an expression of interest process and a number of different requirements. Um, (clears throat) Township of Langley did not, uh, submit for that or didn't have any, any community partners who submitted for that. The... I can tell you though that the, uh, requirements are quite onerous, especially around security. Uh-Um, and we did look at it but there was not a lot of benefit for the actual community because the, whatever team country was here, you know, it's all blocked off. There's no public viewing necessarily, et cetera. So when we looked at the potential costs, together with our facilities, our community demand and the requirements of FIFA for that, at the end we, we or no community partners submitted to host a team. Thank you. These viewing events are different, which would be showing the games. All right. Seeing no other speakers, I'll call the question on the recommendation. Counsel- (hiccups) That carries with Councilor Richter opposed. Ms. Barrett, could you bring up the subsequent motion related to E3? Yeah. So I'd like to move that staff present to council at its regular meeting on October 6th with additional details, potential funding sources and anticipated timelines for the potential replacement or addition of township LED video displays. Seconded by Councilor Bailey. Is there any discussion on that, uh, to, um, I think it's answer and speak to, uh, maybe Councilor Richter's, uh, good questions. Councilor Richter? Oh, Councilor Kunst first. Go ahead. Um, so how many of those video displays are they? And it just says, "Township LED video displays," is there a number of them? Your Worship to Councilor Kunst. Uh, our interpretation would be, it's the ones referred to in the report on page three. That would be the LEC Arena Bowl, stadium at the LEC, uh, the Mc- McLeod Athletic Park, Aldergrove Outdoor Experience and the arenas at the LEC. So four, four of them? Uh, through your Worship to Councilor, uh, Kunst. It would be five of them. Okay, thanks. Councilor Richter? Um, shouldn't this go to like, the budget process? Uh, I mean if the potential for replacement of these is gonna run as high as 5.49 million, I would think that that's more of a budget item than a, "Let's rush to get it done next meeting." Thank you. Councilor Bailey, go ahead. Uh, a question to staff through the Chair. Uh, I wonder are there any of these LEDs that are currently in place right now, uh, are they getting near the end of their life? Is there... Are some of these replacements, uh, not just maintenance, but nearing critical? Your Worship to Councilor Bailey. Some of these, uh, uh, video displays, um, have been installed in the early 2000s. Uh, staff are experiencing some issues with them. And I can, uh, refer to my colleague as well, Mr. Winslow, who does have, uh, e- experience with dealing with some of these LED video displays historically. I would just, uh, echo Mr. Kuntz's comments that, uh- (coughs) ... the oldest of which is the LEC Arena Bowl was installed in 2008. Uh, well past its useful life, but being kept alive on, on life support. Um, there are significant issues for during some games where one of the quarter or multiple quarters are out in the screen and have to be replaced. Uh, McLeod Athletic Park being another that was installed, but was purchase used from the, um, Olympics, from the temporary Empire Stadium, um, and others. And we'll highlight all of that when we bring the presentation back to council if this passes. So I'm just wondering in this, if you could identify, um, I don't know, prioritize or identify any ones that are more critical in, in, uh, terms of replacement? Thank you. Certainly. All right. I'll call the question on the associated motion. That carries with Councilor Richter opposed. Move on to item E4, Smithview Park at Jerko Reservoir. Uh, moved by Councilor Pratt, seconded by Councilor Wrent. Um, is there any discussion or questions on E4? Uh, Councilor Richter. Yeah. It's my mic right now? Oh, yes. No, I'm not... Okay, Councilor Pratt, go ahead. Oh, thank you. Uh, yeah, no, I'm excited about the, uh, the concept that I see, but uh, something like this I think, uh, it's gonna be in the middle of a community so it would probably requ- Just that bad of an idea. I had to shut the mic off. (laughs) But, um, yeah. So I, I do have a referral but, uh, I see other speakers. So I'll come back. Okay. Great. Uh, we'll come back to you then. Uh, Councilor Richter, go ahead. Um, yeah. Um, this, as I understand it, is something new in the township, a rooftop park. And, uh, I concur with what Councilor Pratt's suggesting, that maybe we wanna talk to the public, especially those who live in the area. Uh, if you're having a venue for events up on a roof, uh, what happens to the noise in that area? And are the residents at all concerned about it? Um, I'm also wondering how much it would cost to build and maintain a rooftop park. Does it cost more of a premium because it's on a rooftop than it would be on the ground? And again, um, what kind of priority is this? Shouldn't this be something that, uh, is going to the budget process? Thank you. Mr. Kuntz, do you wish to address those? Through your Worship to, uh, Councilor Richter. Uh-At this time, we're just asking council to endorse the concept plan and the features and intended use for it. Uh, s- once we're in a position, uh, with a detailed design, the detailed designs would have construction estimates, um, class A, class B or class C contingencies that allow us to provide the details to council for its consideration. Uh, however, on, with respect to this Smithview Park at Jericho Reserve, we do already have council approval for up to 125,000 for detailed design. That was historically approved. Uh, so we are just bringing that and getting it a- approved once again, uh, due to the fact the concept has changed. Uh, but all those, uh, questions would be answered during the detailed design phase and consideration of council prior to, uh, construction. Okay, but I still think there's a step a- we might be a step ahead of ourselves with this one. Uh, like is a rooftop park a good idea? I, I don't have a clue. We haven't had any in Langley. Are there other communities that do have them? Anyway, thank you. Ms. Bower? Yeah, can you please, uh, take down the previous item? Yeah, thanks. Uh, Councilor Bailey, go ahead. Yeah, I, I really like the, uh, idea of referring this, uh, from Councilor Pratt. I, I'm, I'm quite interested in seeing what people would, uh, would think about in the, especially in the neighborhood, would think about a brand new approach. So- So I confirm for the record, that was not Smithview Park at, uh- (laughs) ... Jericho Reservoir. Um, that's not the proposal. Uh, but anyway, go ahead. So, uh, yeah, I, I, uh, I, I would, uh, support, um, referring this back. Councilor Pratt, go ahead. Yeah, thank you, uh, Your Worship. I move that, uh, E4 be referred to, uh, the public for public consultation, or the preliminary plan, uh, be referred to the public for public consultation. Referred to staff to conduct public consultation? Sure, sure. Okay. So is there a seconder to that? Seconded by Councilor Bailey. Do you wish to speak to it? Nope, I think it speaks for itself. Yeah. Any other speakers on the referral? Seeing none. Call the question on the referral. That carries unanimously. Let's move on to item five, Ponder Park improvements. So moved. Moved by Councilor Ferguson. Second. And seconded by Councilor Rentz. Is there any discussion on E5? Seeing none... Oh, Councilor Richter, go ahead. Yeah, I was just wondering, um, will this park include a dog off-leash area? Are there plans for that there? It's not within the current, uh, concept, Your Worship. Okay. Um, m- are we... have we gotten... or will we be getting public input on this? I would suspect that if, uh, council were to approve this, it's right now the second recommendation is it's being referred to the capital budget process, so, uh, nothing will be happening immediately. But if council was to proceed and, and fund the technical site analysis, detailed trail design, et cetera, um, then normally we would get public input as part of that process. Okay. So if we go ahead and do this, is there still an opportunity... 'cause it would seem to me that would be a perfect location for a dog off-leash area. Is there an opportunity to add one after the fact? I would re-... it's just a preliminary concept plan at this point, so there's always that possibility. Um, I think speaking though from s- from some history past practice, uh, if we're considering equestrian use, sometimes that and dog off-leash don't, don't necessarily, uh, combine, but we could look. It's a fairly large site. It... where appropriate site might be. Okay. Thank you. All right. Seeing no other speakers, I call the question on E5. That carries unanimously. Item E16, 16th Avenue Cor... E6, or, uh, 16th Avenue corridor intersections update. Ms. Bower, I'm gonna move an alternative motion to the recommendation if you could bring that up. The council authorized 198,000 from ROWDCCs in 2000 from the capital projects reserve for an updated 16th Avenue corridor intersection study to commence with- within 2025 for council's consideration within Q1 2026. Seconded by Councilor Ferguson. So the logic here is that, uh, this gets the corridor study advancing more quickly that could potentially and, uh, inform, uh, potentially some starting of the process, uh, early next year, or well-prepared for '27 as opposed to conducting the study in '26, maybe not seeing it until the end of '26. So the goal here is to, uh, get the study step recommended by staff, uh, completed as soon as possible to inform, uh, future decision-making. So that's the goal here. Uh, Councilor Ferguson. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. If I may, through the chair to staff, are... I- I'm a big supporter of, um, making as many improvements as we can on 16th Avenue. We've n- we've made over... quite a few over the last, uh, 10 years, but we need to keep it up. Are we still continuing our discussions with both Surrey and, um, the City of Abbotsford regarding, uh, uh, updates on what they're doing on 16th Avenue, if I may? Yep.I got it. Yeah, so through Your Worship, yeah, staff are continually coordinate with the City of Surrey and the City of Abbotsford, and in particular with this motion. If it passed, we would con- connect with them on the 16th Ave. corridor. Thank you very much. Good. Thanks, Aaron. Any questions or speakers? Does anybody wish to speak again? Councilor Bailey, go ahead. Yeah, I live down that neck of the woods and, uh, anything that's going to, uh, speed up making 16th Avenue, uh, safer is, uh, is very much welcomed. Uh, just about daily, I see either left-hand turn slot, uh, passes going a- coming into their own left-hand sh- uh, turn slot, shooting through the intersection into the oncoming left-hand turn slot. And I can't, uh, count how many times I see people passing on double solids, on hills and everything. So whatever we can do to speed up making 16th Avenue, uh, safer, uh, I'm all in favor of. Yeah, um, are there any, like, sources of funding as the 16th Avenue corridor is, like, one of the main ones for Roberts Bank and Terminal 2. Is there any, like, federal or provincial monies that can help us on 16th Avenue, um, as it flows through Surrey, Langley, um, to get to Highway 99? Through Your Worship to Councilor Koontz, staff do always explore different levels, uh, agencies and different levels of government when it comes to fundings or grant opportunities. Uh, we are always in negotiate- um, communications with the provincial government or federal or even TransLink, um, and our neighboring municipality, the City of Surrey, if there's any funding opportunities that may assist in relation to 16th Avenue, as, uh, it is a major arterial road, designated truck route and it's, uh, also a tru- TransLink major road network as well. And at this time, are we aware of any or is that something that is still sort of ongoing? Uh, Through Your Worship to Councilor Koontz, that it's still ongoing. Thank you. Council Richter. Yeah, um, through you to staff. I'm just wondering if this, um, um, study that comes back to us will include, uh, capacity and volumes, current volumes and the capacity of the road. I'm just wondering where ultimately this is going. Are we talking about twinning this road? And if we are talking about twinning it, is it necessary or is that even going to be an option that comes forward for council to consider? Yeah, Mr. Clerk. Through Your Worship to, uh, Councilor Richter. So essentially, it would be a corridor study, um, eh, that we focus also on an intersection study as well. And the item is to reassess the priorities and to provide, uh, recommendations to council whether they're, uh, medium-term recommendations or long-term recommendations. And some of those recommendations may, uh, be, um, not limited to, but may be i- in relation to potential widenings, uh, further intersection improvements, and, uh, uh, whether it's, uh, east-west left turn lanes as well. So there, the study itself will be quite technical in nature and detailed, uh, for council's consideration. Okay. Well, as I understand, twinning that road is going to be a major expense. So I hope that we'll get details on capacity. Thank you. Councilor Martins. Yeah, thank you. Um, and I'm glad to see this coming forward and I fully support it. Um, I think it was said earlier at this table, um, I don't know how many offenses I heard, uh, listed under the, um, uh, Motor Vehicle Act. And, um, I just want to, um, raise up our, our local RCMP and, um, ERSU, um, who routinely, um, head to that stretch, um, eh, eh, with an attempt to, um, deter some of the driving practices. Um, and I don't know how many tickets they've actually written. Um, it's been quite extensive, but I think practically speaking, we can't rely on enforcement bodies to change the driving behavior, um, it's so beyond that in that stretch. So, um, changing, making changes through environmental design is, um, a prudent way to go about it, and I, um, look forward to, um, hearing more information on the potential improvements to this roadway to make it safer for all of our drivers. There's been, um, far too many, um, very significant accidents in that stretch that, uh, could be avoided. Retaining or speaking, so called question on the alternative recommendation, uh, as amended under E6. That carries unanimously. Item E7, no booth parking field house and recreation improvements. Uh, same thing, Ms. Bower, slightly modified, uh, alternative motion to move. Yes, it's slightly different than the recommendation, again, to advance it more quickly and add consultation with applicable sports user groups. So the major changes are bolded there. The council endorsed the plan subject to final consultation with applicable groups and approved 20- $250,000 from the Capital Projects Re- Reserve to, uh, get going on that now to potentially give council the option to do some of the components in 2026, if possible. Move that. Is that seconded by Councilor Bailey. Is there any other speakers on that? Councilor Koontz, go ahead. Yeah, so I note on, um, I believe it's page seven, uh, that there is a big map of...No Booth, uh, there's No Booth Elementary, um, and then right sort of adjacent to that, which I know is an open field right now, but it's a new grass field with two senior softball diamonds. Um, is that land, land... I'm just wondering who owns that land. To Your Worship, to, uh, Councilor Kunst, i- in relation to the attachment A, where there's a, a plan there, the specific new grass field with the two senior softball diamonds are shown, that's on the No Booth, uh, Elementary School adjacent to it. That is the school district lands, is my understanding. So, I guess I'm curious as to if you're a No Booth Elementary School, why would... You would want two senior softball diamonds. And I played senior ball, I played, I played slow pitch, and I know that we need those. But I also have, uh, I know that we also need soccer fields. (laughs) And I would love another soccer field in, in Brookswood. Um, and, uh, I'm just curious as to why we would put two senior softball diamonds on school district property, and have they been consulted? To Your Worship, to Councilor, uh, Kunst, uh, the new grass softball diamonds would require, uh, School District 35's concurrence, and so we'd be starting the dialogue with, uh, the school district, uh, with respect to that. Uh, these are concept plans in nature. Uh, council can always provide direction a- a- and specific items for staff to take into consideration, or be a part of the concept itself. Uh, further technical analysis and detailed design, it will still be worked on at a later date in the event council does refer the funding request to the, uh, budget process. Um, I will add that I think the pickleball courts are awesome. Yeah, so I think those are, those are good questions to raise. I think No Booth has also been raised at the SD35 Liaison Committee, um, and it's good to have a proposal endorsed, and it can be taken and, and, uh, hopefully the, the progress on it can continue. Uh, who's next here? Uh, Councilor Bailey, go ahead. Uh, I, I love this plan. Uh, I, I have a couple of, um, people who are on the... My extended family play fastball, and also have spoken to the, the, um, president of the organization, the, uh, the w- the softball organization that plays out of No Booth and they both love this park. Uh, I'm not afraid of, of, uh, utilizing that field right now. I've gone and looked at it. Uh, nothing is, is done to that field, so I think it's really good that we could, uh, get a partnership agreement with the school board to do something, uh, uh, pretty progressive with that. And also, the school, uh, will be using, like in so many situations, uh, the school can use the soccer field that is immediately across that brand new bridge that are, uh, is put in there. And, uh, I, I think this is a, a wonderful plan to go forward and to, uh, be able to present something to the school board that's got, um, some pretty, pretty, uh, useful messages in it. Um, yeah. I wanted to ask about the 10 new pickleball courts, and, uh, where exactly they're gonna be located relative to the road. To, To Your Worship, to Councilor Richter, is that, uh, with respect to 35 Avenue, that's, uh, is that the road you're referring to? Um, maybe I'm looking at the wrong one here. Seven, I thought I was looking at seven. Yeah, like where... I guess what I'm, I'm concerned about is the noise. Uh, are the pickleball courts... And I know it says in the report that it's an ideal location for noise attenuation, but are those proposal co- courts going to be located close to residential housing? And if so, how close? To Your Worship, to Councilor Richter, these, these are obviously conceptual in nature, I'd like to reiterate, and, uh, the exact location do vary. However, with respect to the, uh, pickleball courts, um, they will be located, uh, south of 36th Avenue, and it's north of the future bridge. So the southern part of it, uh, uh, there is spee- uh, or a creek that provides a buffer. Uh, and north of it would be a parking r- uh, lot as well. So the actual residential area is in quite, uh, uh, far proximity to the location of the pickleball courts itself. Okay, so the adjacent areas will not be high density housing in the future, 'cause if there's high density housing there and pickleball courts, I'm not sure the two are gonna mix that well, if their courts are outdoors. The... On the concept plan itself, um, to Your Worship, to Councilor Richter, it's primarily, uh, nature area, SPEA area, our parking lot, our... Other amenities, like, uh, an existing batting cage, uh, so the... There is limited, uh, development in close proximity, or any residential housing, or any future plans of any housing. Okay. All right. Um, is there plans then to get this out in front of the public for some input? Uh, Through Your Worship, to Councilor Richter, so essentially this is a concept plan, and as, uh, Mr. Winslow had indicated earlier, the capital, i- in the event it is referred to the budget process, the budget itself, and the capital request will be a part of the consultation process, and specifically, uh, the, um, the, uh-... new grass fields will, there'll be a consultation with the school district at, uh, the next liaison meetings as well and further discussions with staff with respect to the location of the sp- softball diamonds. Okay, so this is gonna go to the liaison committee. I'm glad to hear that. Thank you. Ms. Bowers? Yeah, thank you, um, and maybe just, um, further feedback with, we're working through the new technology. Um, I don't have the ability to see, uh, the amended motion. Um, while we're discussing it, um, I know in the old system, I could click through different screens and find it, um, to refer- refresh my memory of what we're talking about. So, um, if that's able to be put up on the other screen. Ms. Bower, that's the next one out the current one. Oh, we got another amendment? Okay. There we are. Yeah, so okay, no, thank you for that and okay. And then what I was trying to clarify is, um, uh, so I'm glad this is going to the SD35 committee. Um, I'm just wondering if our staff know offhand, um, the typical movement of the children that attend Noel Booth Elementary School during the day, um, on nice weather when they're outside or even not so good weather and they're running out at recess and lunch. Um, where in this park do they typically go? If I can, through the chair and staff. Uh, this is a very, um, uh, non-scientific response probably. Yeah. Um, the current, uh, septic field for the school is to the east of the school. That's the cr- there are grass fields there that are soil based. Um, I would suspect that they go there and then there's some hard surface area to the west of the school. Um, however, we do know from traffic patterns, and I'm not sure if it's recess, lunch, or before or after school, uh, they do go down into the park as well and one of the upgrades that council previously has approved is some upgrades to the playground at the, uh, bottom of the bridge there on the north side of the trees. And they do use the synthetic turf field for some events, but I'm not sure if it's during school or outside of school hours. Okay, thank you, and, um, appreciate that so I hope that we'll get some more information then from the school district on, um, their preferences on this. So, um, great, always good to see updates to, um, fields, um, as long as it's workable for all those, um, that use it. Thank you. Seeing no other speakers, call the question on E7. That carries unanimously. Item E8, Ms. Bauer, bring that up as well please. I'd like to move that slightly amended version to also same concept, advance it more quickly. Uh, that council endorse the concept plan and approve it to commence the technical site analysis designed to commence in '25 for options potentially in 2026. I'll move that. Seconded by Councilor Pratt. Is there any discussion on what's the motion on the floor? Councilor Richter. Yeah, I had a question with regards to the concept plan and also the existing park is a very well used, uh, senior social passive gathering area and in the past, um, there have been comments that have come to council about how the seniors would benefit from a more sheltered location than the current, uh, picnic area, which is open to the elements. Has any consideration been given, um, to a senior social area here and will we be asking the interested groups if they would, uh, give comment as well? I can- I can perhaps respond, Mr. Skinner. Um, we did get some, uh, feedback as referenced from some seniors groups, maybe year and a half or two years ago, um, that resulted in council approving some funding to add an additional shelter, um, to the west of the parking lot on the, uh, south side of the park. Um, since that time, I think the feedback's been very positive. Haven't heard anything further, but we could go back and, and ask them if they were interested in some additional space, but, um, I think they're pleased with what council previously approved. Okay. So do we need to incorporate that into this motion or will staff just consult with that seniors group or those seniors groups as well? I think similar to the other park projects we've discussed, the- the next days of- stage of this if council approves the funding is the detailed design consultation with user groups, probably the general public in that area and the two schools. So I think that might just naturally occur as we go forward. Okay, and but at this stage there's no plans to eliminate that sheltered area that's been provided, correct? Nope, no plans to change that area. Okay, thank you. Great. Let's call the question... Seeing no other speakers, call the question on E8. That also carries unanimously. E9, Urban Road updates to 28th Street and 48th Avenue. I'll move the recommendation, seconded by Councilor Bailey. Is there any other discussion on A- uh, E9? Councilor Richter. Yeah, a- again, I'm curious will, will we be sending this for public input at some point?Your Worship to Council, Director. These, these conceptual design for 228 and 48 Avenue, uh, since it's an urban road upgrade, this would, uh, in the event the conceptual design is endorsed, it would go to the, uh, budget process, uh, to be included for detailed design as part of the budget process itself. Uh, there will be consultation with the public, um, in relation to this item. Okay. Well, uh, I'm recalling, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong group, but the, uh, residents that, um, live close to that, um, cement plant, that is 228 Street, isn't it, going up to 48? Th- that is correct. Okay. So they have a very vested interest in having input to the process. Can we ensure that they get that input? Uh, through Your Worship to Council Director, it would depend on the definition of the input required in the event, uh, open houses and et cetera, that would require Council direction to conduct those. However, historically, uh, Council did receive delegations from individuals and that's resulted in two separate notice of, uh, mo- or resolutions from Council. One, I believe, on November 4th and the other on May 26th, 2025, where it had directed staff to report to Council on potential upgrades of 228 between Fraser Highway and 48th Avenue- Okay. ... to an urban road standard. So if staff are gonna spend 375,000 in the draft financial plan to do a detailed design of this street, before we actually build it, will we be getting input from them on it? It, it seems to me that if we build something that isn't going to, uh, help them and their concerns, Council's probably gonna hear back on it. Uh, through Your Worship to Council Director, there... The concerns are with respect to the resident. There's also concerns from a staffing perspective as well for these items, so there'll be still more detailed design needed, uh, to in- to at least allow, uh, construction estimator, allow the public to see what is actually being proposed, as there's still topographical surveys, um, environmental items that need to be addressed so that we can at least get to a detailed design, uh, to ensure that the public can see that. And it would be part of the budget process itself for the public to, um, provide their comments or concerns. Yeah, but by the time it gets to the bu- uh, to the budget process, there's so much in a budget that this one item could get lost, um, for them. Okay. Um, hmm. Is there another way we could just say to them, "We have a report, and it's been approved. If you, if you and your group wanna have a look at it, please come and have a look at it." Or, "Please ask, and we'll send it to you." Yeah. Through your Worship to Council Director, we would have... Staff would have no issue in providing a, in the event Council does endorse this conceptual design and providing a, a copy to the specific, uh, use, um, community group or, uh, residents, uh, uh, that, uh, staff have dealt with historically. Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh, seeing no other speakers, I call the question on, uh, E9. (coughs) That carries unanimously. E10-2025 ICBC Road Improvement Plan, I'll move it, seconded by Councilor Rent. Is there any discussion? Now I'll call the question on E10. Okay, so we're still on the previous item for some reason, Ms. Bauer, so how do we clear that? So, okay- It should be there now. Start there, and there we are, E10. Go ahead and vote on E10. Yeah. And that carries. It says yes. It says yes, it's eight, so like I said, carries unanimously. Ms. Bauer, could you also maybe find out why it was showing in real time who was voting? So could we got... Could we not have it do that? We will find out why it did that. Okay. We'll find out why it did that, okay. Uh, E11, pre-zoning options along 200 Street Corridor. I'll move the recommendation, seconded by Councilor Pratt. Is there any discussion or questions? Seeing none, I'll move deferral to November 3rd, seconded by Councilor Rent. Are there any questions or discussion on deferral? Seeing none, I'll call the question on deferral. So you move to defer E11 to November 9th? November 3rd, yeah. That carries unanimously. Ms. Bauer, can you find out why it says eight? I guess it's only counting council, is that w- It's only counting me- voting members. Council is currently only eight members, is why it has a vacancy. That's right. There's a vacancy right next to me, and I had to ask that question, yeah. Um, and the person who's left this seat just happens to be here in the audience with us tonight as well. This afternoon. So we're gonna move on to E12, offi- official community plan update, status, and timeline. I will move the recommendation, seconded by Councilor Ferguson. Is there any discussion on E12? Seeing none, I'll call the question on E12. That carries unanimously. That'd be 13, building permit conditions for 21020 76th Avenue. Council, I'm gonna move, uh...... uh, item A only. So, the first paragraph plus item A, we'll move it without item B. Is there a seconder to that? Seconded by Councilor Pratt. Is there any questions or discussion? Councilor Kunast. So, we've received a bit of feedback, um, from the school district on, uh, this particular, uh, site, and I was wondering if any, all members of council got those... Got that email. And, um, I'll just, I guess, I'll just highlight just a couple of concerns, um, and maybe staff can help me if there is, uh, any answers to that. What constitutes access rights? And I'll also see if intersection works and what are the costs? Um, is the school district expected to purchase easements, um, and if so, what is the cost and what are the exact requirements so that it can be des- designed and costed, um, and reviewed for approval by the district and the Ministry? And I guess the concern is that this is gonna delay, uh, the building of the school and, um, impact the, uh, the opening, and, um, if there is any way that we could proceed without these, um... Yeah. Your Worship to Councilor Kunast. Uh, I, I believe that's an email that was sent to mayor and council, so staff haven't had the opportunity to review that email in depth and provide some of the, uh, comments back or clarify some of the issues in relation to. And especially when it comes to easement rights, et cetera, or access. Some of the items for... Would be considered negotiations or legal, um, that may be, uh, discussed and closed separately. Uh, I believe the motion on the floor has only been moved as A. Um, and I believe A only relates with, uh, uh, access from 76th Avenue. Okay. So, is this later on then? I jumped the gun? Yeah. Thank you. Um, question if I can through the chair to staff. Um, if we weren't contemplating these conditions, would staff be in a position to, um, issue a building permit or does that require a motion of council? 'Cause it looks to me like we're not... It's not, um, agreeing to issue a building permit or not, it's just you're looking, contemplating conditions. So, the... Am I making sense in my question? Who, who authorizes the building permit, council or staff? Your Worship to Council Martins, yes, so i- it can be characterized as it's a delegated authority when it comes to building permit, and that's delegated to staff, that would be the Director of Permits and Licensing or Inspections or a delegate of his or hers. Uh, therefore that's a decision made by staff, um, that would... This potentially would be the condition needs to be satisfied prior to a building permit being issued. Okay. And, uh, along the lines of that, I understand, um, there's also something to do with the foundation that they're waiting to get started on, on that site. Is that a separate permit and does that come through council or is that at the staff level? Dear Worship to Council Martins. Uh, I believe what's being referenced is potentially a foundation permits and there, th- there's a lot of complexities with re- with respect to a foundation permits, whether we actually do them or how they'll be structured. And those are also done at a staffing level, uh, whether it requires any, uh, security bonding or, uh, a- any further agreements to be entered into, whether it's servicing agreements, et cetera, and potential legal review. Uh, so, but those are all done at a staffing level as a delegated authority. Okay, thank you. Um, so we're looking at condition A. Um, and I'm just wondering if, um, 'cause the, the language is a little vague to, to me. Um, uh, the only image I have is, um, the, this di- diagram that I can't actually, uh, read the legend on. It's, um, probably it's been reproduced a few times now. So, if I... If staff could help to clarify when we're referring to, um, upper parking lot, um, and lower parking lot. Um, if you could bring up the diagram and maybe just show me w- where these two are. I don't know what upper and lower means. Is there an upper floor? Is there a... Are you talking upper reg- regarding the grade, um, north, east, south, west? Through your Worship to Council Martins. I believe due to the technical difficulties, it might be not the easiest, but I'll look to my colleagues to see if they can bring that document up. I know attachment A is quite pixelated, but- Yeah. ... my understanding of the reference when it comes to upper parking lot is the upper parking lot that abuts 76th A- Avenue and then the lower parking lot is referenced to the parking lot that's lower, uh, towards that, uh, touches the connector lines or connector there, 212 connector. So, that's how they're being differentiated. So, the upper is closer to 76? That, that is correct. Okay. Tha- thank you, that is helpful. Um, and if, um, if council chooses, um, not to, um, add the condition, then staff would be able to work directly then with the school district, get the building permits up and going. 'Cause I understand they're... This is really coming down to a real time crunch for them. Um, there's 2,800 students that, uh, need a place to go to school and, um, this might cause significant delay, especially if there's additional expenses that don't seem to be clear here in this condition, um, that would require the school district going back to the Ministry to get, um, further funding, um, before they can even, uh, engage and, um, uh, um... My, my priority here is, um, you know, we're talking about real families and real children and, um, you know, it could be significantly affected as to when they can actually get to school. Um, so I have... I, I... Raising that concern. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, first of all, um, just a procedure that we've just got A on the table right now, correct?... by a big word? No one's moved the- No one's be- And I would hope that, uh, we don't get to, get to be. But, uh, right now, with just A, it certainly looks like a, um, a good motion. And my question, if I may, through... As anybody would ask regarding permits, uh, the permitting process like any building or subdivision, house, whatever, would go through a process, um. Prior to that, j- if I... You might be able to answer, you might not. How far are they along in the permitting process, if I may? Your Worship to Council Ferguson. They're... I think, I do have staff here present. I'm just trying to look back, but I'd say our present, uh, have 'em jump in, the Director of Permits, Licensing, Inspection. Uh, Your Worship to Councilor Ferguson. Uh, they've submitted drawings and staff are currently reviewing the drawings. We've sent back, uh, items that need to be addressed befo- before we can move forward. We're waiting for, uh, that information to come back to us. And, uh, still as part of the issuance of a building permit, there is offsite works that needs to be addressed and, you know, the potential for a servicing agreement needs to be in place before permit's issued. Now, just a question. I guess, I'm more of a layman and don't have an understanding of all these things. Would it be considered, with the elevation thing, a difficult site to develop, if I may? It, it is a little bit of a difficult site because of the separations in the parking lot and also the construction at 212th becomes an issue 'cause it's separated. But building permit wise, uh, I think we're gonna be okay. But, uh, we're just waiting for comments back. It's good, it's good to hear that. I mean, it's ex- exciting time that... A brand new high school and middle school that, that's exciting. I'm sure the school district is excited, the amount of money and time, energy that they put in, and also the province amount of money. This is a big huge expense for the province and, um, a win, win, win for Langley. So, um, I'm happy with A, the way it stands, if I may. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council Wickel? Yeah. Um, I wanna know exactly what we're voting on here. Are we voting on the preamble plus A, or just A? Now, Ms. Bauer, can you- Because the preamble require the following conditions to be added and satisfied. Yeah. Ms. Bauer, can you clarify what's been moved, please? As I understand it, is the preamble plus just A. So, it would re-, re-... It would re-amend the preamble to read the following condition versus conditions. That would be the only change, we understand. Okay. So, there's still required to deal with this before they're gonna get a building permit. What we have here, and I think Councilor Martins pointed it out, and I, and I'm... I can see that, um, Chair, uh, Ashdown, uh, from the school board did. We have 2,800 students that require the schools to be opened in September of 2027. That's the priority, get these schools open. And I am extremely concerned that this is red tape that's gonna prevent that from happening. I mean, we're so lucky we, we've got the fed- uh, provincial government contributing to these two new schools in our township that we definit- desperately need. And requiring the owner of the property to start building roads before they're gonna get permits, uh, it just seems to me, we're taking money from school programs that we should be taking from 'em right now. Not to mention critical time. So I'm... I can't support this. I think it's wrong. I think it's a bad precedent. The school board has never had to build roads before. Why do they need to start building them now? And, uh, I, uh... The priority here is issue the permits so those schools can get built. We can figure out the road stuff later, but we need to get those schools built. So I'd like to put a follow-up motion on that says, "While we're figuring out the road stuff and we should be taking that to the, um, that, um, task force that we have with the school board to discuss. At least the schools are gonna start being built." We need... They need to have the building permits. That's what this whole letter that she sent us is saying. We need the bu- building permits or we're not going to be able to open those schools. Councilor Bailey? Yeah. I don't wanna do anything that's gonna slow down this school project, but I also want to, at the same time, ensure that, uh, one, the residents up by 76th Avenue are not gonna be overloaded with traffic. And especially, uh, right now we're only talking about the right in and left out. Am I correct? You are correct. So, uh, this is a, not only a safety for the, um, students... That's both walking students, I might add, and, uh, and new drivers. A lot of those drivers coming out of there are end drivers, uh, so they're inexperience. So I think, uh, making sure that, one, the residents up by 76 are not overloaded with extra traffic, which I believe it will be. Uh, but I think that, uh, while you're doing this take... Uh, this is a safety issue. This is, uh... I'm very familiar with, uh, collisions, I might add, and, uh, I wanna make sure that students, both driving and walking, and the residents are all gonna be safe. And I don't...I don't believe, uh, that requiring... We're not talking about building roads and that here. We're talking about ensuring that it is restricted to a right in and left out. That's all we're talking about. Am I correct? Yeah, so, uh, Councilor Bell, you are correct. Actually, the township has already completed the widening and completion of 76th Avenue. This is in relation to the character of the ingress and egress of that access and then connections through the subject site that would connect 76 directly to the connector. I believe those are the two concerns that were, uh, raised and outlined by staff in detail in the report. So you are correct, this is not about road construction, but I'll wait for all comments to address that. Go ahead. So, so, you know, uh, the fact that there are gonna be physical traffic control devices, uh, to be installed to ensure the safety of, of, um, an awful lot of traffic going in and out of that, uh, at least twice a day, uh, I, a priority for me is the safety of all the students and the residents in that area. Councilor Pratt. Yeah, thank you, Your Worship. Councilor Raley sort of raised, uh, several of the, the things that I wanted to mention that, uh, for me, the, the big issue is that with the connectivity between the connector and 76 without the right in/right out, or right in/left out, uh, we- we've effectively got a bypass of the connector for thousands of people and, and lots of kids coming in and out, which would be a concern. And we're not talking about road construction. Uh, it's an inside, or it's an, it's an in and out egress that we're discussing right now. So, uh, I'm looking forward to it. Uh, it sounds like the project is working its way through the BP system as per usual, uh, and so I'm sure that staff are working very diligently with, uh, school district staff to get it across the finish line so that we can all see kids there in 2027. Councillor Barnes. Yeah, thank you. Um, just following up on earlier comments. Um, we're not just talking about right in/left out movements. Um, and I fully support safety, um, and I don't think this is actually about a, a safety conversation here. I think it's about who's responsible for what. Um, the last line says, "With physical traffic control devices installed." Um, m- if I'm reading this correctly, this is suggesting that it's up to the school district, uh, to, um, pay for the cost and install traffic control devices. Um, am I reading that correctly? Yeah, we can get that, we can get that clarified. Um, Mr. Crooner, I believe that would be a curb or, uh, del- delineators that would restrict a left turn movement or... Let me see here. Yes. Um, it would restrict some of those movements. I believe those are on the order of a few thousand dollars. Maybe, maybe Mr. Rule can con- confirm that. Through Your Worship, uh, to Your Worship, those are physical control, uh, traffic control devices that would be needed to be installed to enforce these restrictions in the event council proceeds with this. The, essentially the overall, uh, measure is intended to reduce traffic impacts on the surrounding residential areas. Uh, so those w- the school district or the owners itself would need to show that these are the physical traffic control devices that will be installed. So I think I can refer to Mr. Rule. I think the township itself has installed traffic control devices at our physical and other, uh, sites or within the township itself. So I'll refer to Mr. Rule to provide specific examples. Yeah. Through you, Your Worship, that's correct. It would be concrete curbing or some of the plastic, um, delineator posts that you see out in the roadway. Uh, we don't have an actual estimate for this at this time, but it is, I'd say, minor works y- for as far as road works go. So, you know, I, I totally respect the raising the concern about, uh, adding to the budget to the school that I believe is approximately $300 million. Um, but I think this is probably just a minor concern that was raised by the residents. But if... Uh, one suggestion would be for you to potentially, uh, move an amendment that, uh, the township pays for it if you wish to do that. Yes, thank you. Um, and so... And again, I agree, um, and I am aware of the concerns of the, um, residents. And we don't want to create an unsafe situation for the students and for the people living in that area, absolutely. Um, I just... It seems to me that, um, we have never in the past required the school district to do, um, physical traffic control, um, improvements adjacent to a school. That is our responsibility as a municipality, um, regardless of their budget. Um, y- you know, we... Th- this cuts into, um, education and, uh, what's their purpose? What's their role? Our, our role as a municipal government is to, um, build roads. So, um, I, I, I'm not sure how that looks. I would like to just have this carry on at the staff level as they're doing. And, um, if this is something that we need, uh, then I think we as a council need to, um, contemplate, uh, the cost of this within our own budgets. It's our responsibility. We build the rules, uh, the roads, the school district, they're gonna build the schools. And let's ju- I think, you know, um, let's just all stay in our lane, uh, which is ironic considering we're talking about traffic, but, uh, there it is. Thank you. So, you know, I think if there's any perception that this is somehow of an, of an issue, I think the largest concern was the connection from our... Or heard from the staff report. Largest concern was the connection through the site and potentially r- running between, uh, 76th Avenue and the connector, which I think is a significant concern. The amount of traffic that may end up on 76 because of, uh, that road never anticipated a, a, a school and, and middle school of this size, uh, when, when that was done. So there is maybe some future work that has to occur there as well. But, uh, you know, if there's some suggestion, you know, I think it's really not worth the few thousand dollars if this is what's going to be claimed. So I'm gonna move an amendment, uh...... uh, that with physical traffic control devices installed to restrict movementS be removed. Is there a second to that? Seconded by Councilor Rand. So, Miss Bauer, how do I, um, put up an amendment on this new system? We have a separate speakers list for that? I don't ... So, does that happen automatically because nothing changed here on the system whenever I move an amendment. Speakers list is still mixed, it looks like. Okay, so raise your hand, who wishes to speak to the amendment? It's Councilor Bailey, I believe was the, was the one that is h- had put the request right away. I'll speak a little bit more to it. Um, you know, I think, uh, there's been some other, uh, in- interesting information that's contained later in the agenda in regards to potential funding sources for B that were a struggle earlier in the year that's, uh, now been addressed through some of the actions taken by, by this council, which we finally have that information confirmed. That doesn't mean that happened. So, I believe B has not moved, and it sounds like we're, we're hearing speeches that were prepared for B. Uh, we're not really speaking to A. So, I totally get that. If that's, you know, people were p- really excited and wanted to speak to B, but B's not moved. So, the issue's not road construction. 76th Avenue is finished, and there's some concern on internal configuration to try to limit traffic movements that may impact the neighborhood, and I think that's still pretty important. But if there's some suggestion that somehow the township is, you know, robbing kids of education because of few delineators, uh, let's just, let's just remove it. Uh, Councilor Bailey, go ahead. Yeah. As someone who has spent almost 28 years actually dealing with collisions and the results of them, and many of those, unfortunately, are between pedestrian and, uh, vehicles. Not only did I spend 28 years doing that, I have now spent over 15 years with dro- in Drop It And Drive, with that is a part of the Traffic Injury Research Foundation of Canada. Both of those organizations are very concerned about the interaction of young drivers, specifically in this one would be ends and distracted walking. This, to me, is worth, uh, making sure that it is left in and left, uh, right in and left out only is worth three grand. And it is not an onerous expectation to say that because this increased traffic is being done and squeezed through three, um, three exits and entrances, I think spending some time, some money, and ensuring that the students, the residents, and everyone in the area is gonna be protected by some little white posts. To me, that is, uh, small potatoes. You're spending 300 million bucks. Uh, this is something that is being created because of a pinched flow of traffic. So, I am fully in favor of keeping these delineators in place, and making sure that the students and the public ... Remember, there can be small kids up in that area. Uh, there's all kinds of possibilities of, of, um, pedestrian and ve- and vehicular interactions in a negative way. Council Pratt, go ahead. Yeah, thank you, Your Worship. Um, yeah, I, I also support that if this is the hang-up then, uh, I'm happy to just move forward with it, but through yourself to staff, it might not be a question that's e- easily answered at this moment. But based on the language of A, without the clause that we're discussing now being removed, would it be anticipated that these delineators, for example, would be in the township right away or within the, uh, property of the school district? Within the parking lot itself? Through your Worship to Councilor Pratt, we'd have to just look at more detailed design to see the exact location of it. But I believe the overall intent might be on roadways that are within the township's control. Uh, that would be, uh, I believe my understanding, but I'll have Mr. Buhl, uh, comment further, as he might have been, uh, reviewing the site plan a bit more in depth. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, through your Worship. The ... So the right in, left out, uh, restrictions, those would be most likely all on the township right of way, if not fully. Yeah, thank you. Council Curtis? Yeah. No. I have no, no issue with A. Um, my issue is basically with the whole motion. I mean, we can, we can make parking lots safe. I don't really think that's, um, the issue here. Um, so, but I'll wait until B, but you're ... Because A was attached to B with the word and, um, I felt like that was why I, um, was, with my prepared speech, um, wanted to speak to it. Yes, if I may, I just wanted to kind of ask a couple of, uh, housekeeping ques- if, if I may, through the chair to staff. We're looking at a site, uh, over 30 acres, if I may, through the chair? Through your Worship to Councilor Ferguson. Uh, I believe it's several acres. I think 10 to 15 acres. Yeah, I believe it's, uh, 17. So w- Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, it's a large site and, um, uh, we, a number of years ago, by wisdom or lack, uh, decided that, uh, we would make this particular site available. They're not making, I've said to my colleagues at Metro Vancouver, they're not making any more lands. A lot of communities don't have that much land to put secondary schools and middle schools on one site. It's very difficult for small communities. Uh, they're looking at other ways of doing it, but, um-We still have the opportunity to use our land, uh, with foresight by the council the day that made the decision to move forward. So, that's a little bit of history. Now, the last thing we wanna do is slow, slow down a major project that everybody in this community wants. So, if this is a holding block or stepping block, safety first, but if, it depends on who pays for it and if we need to move forward just to make everything work smoothly and then get those students in in, in 2027 all, albeit. And, uh, we can't forget that I taught school for a number of years, including secondary schools, and, uh, those students (laughs) sometimes in their cars can be a little bit, um, uh, rambunctious when leaving the parking lot, uh. And safety first, and if we could do whatever we can do for safety, that's important, and make sure we do it in advance prior to. We don't want something untoward happening, uh, from a, a safety point of view, that, uh, somebody could be hurt or injured. Thank you. Mr. Barnes? Yeah. Thank you. Um, one is I... Would be helpful to have the what exactly we're, um, deliberating on right now. Um, if it's the, um, first paragraph, that "council require the following conditions be added to and be satisfied by the owner prior to the issuance of a, a building permit" and then talking about the, um, physical, um, changes here, to the right and left out, um, I, I guess I'm not clear then. Um, so it's sounding like they're still gonna be held up until this is sorted out, um, that they won't be issued a building permit and, um, I th- uh, yeah, if, if you are able to put the wording up on the screen, it would be helpful for me, um, 'cause I feel that there are still, um, conditions to be placed on them. And I appreciate some of the comments of my colleagues that perhaps we just, um, this is a cost that we should be paying for, and why can't we been doing this in tandem while they're working on their project. Um, and that's what I'm not clear about, why it's still in there at all. Um- Mr. Bauer, can you maybe... Mr. Bauer, do you... I guess you can cut and paste it into Word and just line strike the item if that's, that's- Yeah. Just give me a moment. ... apparently that's- I'll pull it. ... apparently that's necessary. So, if you can show that. I, I appreciate that. Thank you very much, Mr. Bauer. Just let me know when you're done. Okay. All right. Uh, Councilor Armstrong. Uh, as I understand it, at this time, what we've got is the motion containing part A, and we've taken off the last section of s- part A, and I struck that out, uh, so that you may see what that is. Is, is that correct as per the, um, mover of the amendment, what we're looking at? Yeah, that's correct. Okay, so we're... And the and goes out too, doesn't it? There's no big barrier to- Mr. Bauer, just strike out the and. It's fine, so . Oh, okay. So, what I'm seeing here, though, is that we're still holding up issuing a building permit until we've restricted parking flow, uh, or traffic flow, um, and I'm not sureing why we're doing that. Um, 'cause it's not even clear then who is responsible for, um, looking after that. Um, and this isn't... I don't wanna conflate things with, um, safety, and it's not one thing or another. I just don't see what this issue has to do then with the building permit if we acknowledge that this is a responsibility of the municipality to address. So, why is any of paragraph A in there? In fact, why is this e- motion even on the table, um, if there are no conditions, if we're looking after A? Um... Yeah. So, it's a challenge for me 'cause if I explain too much, it's, uh, it become... You know, it's, it's on some kind... I, I'm not sure how to answer how a building permit works. Mr. Cooner, maybe y- you could sort of outline that, if it's not a condition in terms of putting up a couple of b- so, that's the challenge, I think. I'm a, I'm a little caught off-guard by, by this. This is, this amounts to a couple of bollards essentially. Um, Mr. Cooner, maybe that could be clarified with Mr. Rule or Mr. Richardson. I think what we're talking about here is literally two bollards, but so maybe that can be confirmed. Yeah, so the staff's interpretation here would be that they... there'll be a condition added and it would need to be satisfied by the owners prior to the issuance of a building permit. There are several conditions that still need to be satisfied prior to a building permit being issued. Mm-hmm. Uh, staff are not in a position at all right n- now to issue the building permit, as Mr. Cesaretti had, had highlighted. There's still several comments that need to be addressed and conditions satisfied. In the event this is moved, there, there'll be a further condition that essentially states that access to the upper parking lot is to remain separated from the lower parking lot from 72nd Avenue, would be limited to right-in and left-out movement. So, it would be up to the owners to just show to staff and staff satisfaction, uh, that, uh, there is limits, uh, that 72nd Avenue is being limited to only right-in and left-out, uh, since the, uh...... amendment has been made there would be no expectation that there's physical traffic control devices to be installed to restricting the turning movements. And, uh, I'll just, uh, have Mr. Ciretti also comment a bit further on the, uh, the conditions as well and how this would be the mechanism to secure, um, that as well through a building permit. C- could I just interject 'cause I think maybe my question, um, i- is m- maybe I didn't phrase it well. Um, I will try again. I'm not actually looking for a whole overview of the building permit process and I appreciate that and, um, all I'm saying is I heard earlier that if these conditions weren't before us, that this, um, m- the issue of the building permit, um, would be resting with staff. Um, and, and staff has to do what they have to do and I understand there's a series of, um, requirements necessary, um, for the building permit to be issued and I'm not arguing about that. I'm not saying, um, we're just gonna go and issue a building permit today on this motion. My point is, I don't think any of this conversation should actually be at the Council table right now. I think, um, staff are ready and capable and able to work with the proponent on what needs to be completed for the building permit. It seems that the only reason it's with us is because of these now just one condition with regards to traffic control, which I think we've established is a municipal responsibility not the school district. So, I- I don't see why we're even d- debating this right now or discussing it. This needs to just go back to staff and I have full confidence in staff that they can do what they need to do, um, to continue to work with the proponent on, um, whatever conditions are still, um, need to be met. That's all I'm trying to say. Yeah, so appreciate that. So I want to reiterate what I said earlier. This- this condition was raised by a number of people in regards to including staff, regarding to the site where the 212 connector is going to be a large arterial road with four travel lanes and turning lanes. It's the primary access intended for the volume of the traffic and that 76th Avenue would be used by potentially staff and probably eventually portables as well. Um, and that that access would be, uh, have lower traffic counts on it. If you connect the two together, potentially people are using the connector or using the school site to transit between the neighborhood and the connector where we would prefer to use them, use roads. So that- that is the concern then and putting up a couple of bollards I think would satisfy the conditions such that, uh, you know, that- that wouldn't be a regular occurrence but if it was needed for emergency egress or access or something like that, that- that if those would have the ability to be removed and having it as a condition allows that to be a maintained state. Now I- I'm not really sure how to cover this off that it has to be a condition and it's relatively minor, it's literally a couple of bollards to address this concern. Um, I don't understand how a few bollards is going to delay a school of this magnitude, but I think we're removing things because what I'm sensing is it's like almost a desire (laughs) that somehow the township is holding up the school so that can be claimed. Uh, I'm not really sure why this conversation is- is actually going on as long as it is in the sense that they, you know, they provide ESC programs, they provide a- a building permit that applies with the building- building code and they get their permit. Like I don't... It's the same process for everyone building anything. Whether you're building a church or a school, it's the same institutional building permit process that's being followed and, uh, you know it's- it's a bit confusing to be suggesting, you know, just sort of issue the permit, issue the permit. Um, you know there's a- there's a process that has to be followed when connecting to infrastructure using the roads and it's very common in many cases where, uh, developers may be asked to install, you know, some traffic calming measures on a public road at their expense given the impact of their development. That's... There's nothing unusual about that. So, um, what we're s- what we're seeing here I think is, uh, you know, we're- we're pretty- pretty united here from what I'm seeing in- in, uh, you know, ensuring that this moves forward. Um, I'll speak to B in a moment and, uh, you know, this- there seems to be again, uh, some prepared speeches going on where I think we should just, uh, remove the conditions, put in a few bollards and it's up to the school district to navigate the building process. It's really not for- for council to, uh, to be doing that, uh, unless there's some reason to be doing that. Uh, building permits are for the professional staff to administrate with the consultants engaged by the Ministry of Infrastructure. Uh, it's- it's really not supposed to be a process, uh... You know these are, uh, the only mechanisms available as well given the DVP process and the parking variance and a number of concessions that I believe, uh, staff and the township and council have made to pretty much take away any sort of suggestion that, uh, the school is, um, is significantly desired by- by the township, by ourselves, by council, by staff or pretty much everyone. Um, I- I'm seeing some frustration at the council table, which I appreciate and respect, uh, but I believe you're- you're arguing about things that- that are not being moved and- and not being advanced. So I think we sh- Follow up question. We should focus on, uh, the... Oh, we have other speakers Councilor Kerins- we should be focusing on, I believe, uh, advancing the school and- and maybe not, uh, speeches that were prepared ahead of time. Councilor Richter, go ahead. Um, yeah. I- I'm not opposed to eliminating or the removal motion, a strike motion here on those words, get rid of them, I don't think they're needed and if they're holding things up, that's the bad thing. But I also think that we need a subsequent motion if this one goes through asking staff to please fast track that building or those building permits so those schools can be open by September of 2027. The community needs it. Councilor Bailey? Having interacted with, uh, driver education in high schools primarily-... for well over a decade. I can tell you right now that if you take out the physical traffic control devices, this will not be effective. And I'll tell you further that you will have to have physical, uh, uh, physical devices on the school board property, because you can't just bring it up to the sidewalk with no control mechanisms and then have, have some delineators. This is, um, is gonna be totally ineffective. And I don't understand for one second why people are objecting to safety measures from day one. That is a priority to me, and I'll tell you right now, when you pick up, uh, uh, people, um, who have interacted with vehicles as often as I did in the past, um, safety is worth 3,000 bucks and a couple of extra delineators. I will not support removing physical barriers, because especially end drivers will ignore them and it will not be effective. Yeah, so I want to clarify that, uh, I agree, uh, with that. However, Councilor Bailey, we'll, we'll just take care of it. We'll just, we'll just deal with it on our own, and we'll have the township deal with that. Um, if there's any suggestion being emailed to us that, you know, a few plastic delineators are gonna hold up the school and this is what we're being emailed, then, you know, we'll just remove it. So, um, and we'll just carry on. So with that, I'll call the question on the amendment. Councilor Pearson. Unusable. And that carries with Councilor Bailey, Councilor Martins, Councilor Pratt opposed. So back to the main motion under A as amended. Uh, just want to remind everyone, this is really literally about a few bollards, um, and it's been an issue that has been raised, uh, since the very beginning. So, uh, this, this is of no surprise to, to anyone and I certainly hope so. I'll call the question on the motion on the floor, which is A. That carries with Councilor Martins, Councilor Richter opposed. And, uh, if anybody wishes to move B... Um, but I, I have no... I've not heard anybody wishes to move A. I have no support for B. Um, further on in the report under M3, I believe, uh, identified that the, the township council has, uh, received record DCC revenue in the first half of, uh, 2025, which was a bit of a concern regarding B, but I believe that concern, uh, has gone away since we have received that information. Uh, Councilor Richter, do you wish to move B? No, I wish to move a subsequent motion though. Go ahead. Um, that, uh, council ask staff to fast track the building permits for these two new schools. Is there a second to that? I'll second. Second by Councilor Finch. Mr. Herlovich? (sighs) Let's just get the schools open. We can figure out the roads concurrently. We don't have to do this ahead of time. If we lose these schools, we are not serving our community well. The money's there, the township's, uh, school district's been given it. Let's just build the schools. I just want to confirm, Mr. Kunert, that is there, you have any, any concerns about it from a, from an administration point of view of fast-tracking one permit over others? Your Worship, as stated earlier, it's a delegated authority, but I can advise council that the township acknowledges the significance of this project and does fully recognize its importance to the broader community. Uh, staff have been actively reviewing the building permit a- application for the site, and also concurrently the off-site works are being reviewed by the relevant, uh, divisions. Uh, the township does, our staff do understand the concerns raised with respect to timing, clarity, and even potential cost implications. We're committed to working collaboratively with the school district to navigate these issues, uh, in a way that supports the project's delivery and community needs in a timely manner, and to ensure a successful and fruitful, uh, project. Okay. So I will, uh, put this down on the floor so we can move on to Councilor... Councilor Pratt, yeah. Yeah, thank you, Your Worship. I, uh, I think, I think our permits and licensing staff, and everybody in development services understands that opening a high school and middle school for our community is of utmost importance with thousands of kids in the Willoughby Slope. Um, the reality is, is that even with A amended and passed, uh, to me this seems like a, uh, a pretty minor piece of a back and forth process that happens with BP all the time. Uh, so I, I question whether or not that's necessary, seeing as I think everybody involved in the process knows how ex- extremely important opening a school is for thousands of kids. And, uh, yeah, no, I, I think it's kind of unfortunate that the conversation today has, has taken the turn that it has, where people are trying to maybe imply that there's certain people who don't care about opening a school on time. That's just not the case. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I mean, I, I, we've got a hardworking staff, both union, non-union and, um, our fire department, our police and, uh, of course, our engineering staff and development staff, they all work hard. And I, I'm a b- big, almost prepared to say, to go out on a limb to say that we have put this, uh, project on, on speed as fast as possible, right from day one, right from the very time we sat down and purchased that property many years ago.And, uh, people can't bel- I've talked to other people in the region. They can't believe we have assembled that much property for one reason: to put schools there for the children for our future. And I imagine there's, there's quite a few kids. I think it's over 1,200 or something, could be more. I'm not sure how ... I don't follow the school district's numbers, but it'd be an awful lot. So, I'm, I think that this motion kind of, uh, th- it throws kind of a wrench in, in staff's face. They work hard and I would ne- I'm not in favor of this motion, because I think it's already being fast-tracked. And I support everything they've done and I want to thank them for what they've done. (inhales deeply) Yeah, I agree, Council person. Thanks for a reminder on that. Uh, this site wouldn't even be owned by the school district if the Town of Langley last council hadn't purchased it. About two years before, the school district was able to line up that funding. And so the, the partnership on this particular site for this particular schools goes back years. Uh, the township has also stepped up in investing in a second athletic park, already years ahead of the school being open. So, you know, I think that, uh, you know, people are upset that somehow we're not creating an area that would blocking the school. I understand that. Um, however, um, fast-tracking the permit, I think, as Council Ferguson referenced, it's being fast-tracked anyway. Um, and if there's any suggestion that township isn't pro- you know, um, acting in any way, then we'll just remove it, change it, you know, because it's really such an unfortunate thing to even be suggesting that somehow complying with by-laws for infrastructure, drainage, sewage, water is somehow holding things up. I mean, that ... But I know, uh, certainly if it's being fast-tracked anyway, in a sense, then, then perhaps there's no harm to codify that, you know, versus what people will say if the, the motion is defeated. So, uh, Councilor Marrakou-Lanz, go ahead. Yeah, um- Oh, yes, Margaret- I'm happy- Yes, Councilor- ... to know that B's not being contemplated, so really that was my only, um, my only concern. Um, so I will, I will vote for anything that we can do to just get on with, um, to, uh, E14. So ... Councilor Bailey? Yeah, I'm, uh, I'm, I'm not gonna, uh, support this motion. Uh, because one thing that's been left out, uh, by doing this kinda stuff is, uh, uh, what, what's involved in fast-tracking is safety at risk of, of being, uh, passed. And also, let's not forget about the residents on 76th Avenue. Okay? They're gonna have to h- they're gonna have a very significant increase on the traffic there. So, I wanna make sure that, uh, this fast-tracking is not going to be at the expense of safety of the residents and convenience of the residents who are already in that area. There we go. Call to question on the motion on the floor. That carries with Councilor Bailey, Councilor Ferguson opposed. I'm gonna call a five-minute recess. It's gonna, it's been two hours and we'll resume here at, uh, 3:40. Thank you. (pause)(white noise)Yep. We have quorum, so we'll get back underway. Item E14, development variance permit application number 100197, development permit application number 101469. I'll move it. Is there a seconder? I do. Seconded by Councilor Pratt. Any discussion on E14? Seeing none, I'll call the question on E14. Okay, we need votes from, uh, Councilor Martins and then Councilor Richter on E14. That carries unanimously. Item E15, development variance permit application number 100192, development permit application number 101508. I'll move that, seconded by Councilor Bailey. Is there any discussion on E15? Seeing none, I'll call the question on E15. That carries unanimously. E16, development permit application number 101443. I'll move it. Is there a seconder? I do. Seconded by Councilor Rent. Is there any discussion on E16? Just, yeah, just... Just wanna make sure. Yeah. Nope, call the question on E16. That carries unanimously. E17, telecommunications tower application number 0015. Wish to move? I do. A... Is there a seconder to A? Seconded by Councilor Rent. Is there any discussion on E17A? Councilor Richter. Um, was there any public input on this? This one, I recall, there's been, uh, several instances in the past where 90-foot high towers that were not well received by the area. Was this one of them? Through your worship, to Councilor Richter, uh, staff have not received any correspondence with respect to this telecommunication tower. Uh, this specific telecommunication tower is compliant with the Telecommunication Tower Policy. More specifically, what I'm referring to is a public consultation and notice item. Okay, and the second question then, do... Does it really need to be... I mean, that's a pretty flat area, does it really need to be 90 feet high? To your worship, to Councilor Richter, the proponents themself do propose the, the height. Um, whether it's, uh, certain specifications or requirement, uh, the staffs just processed the application and advised council of the height. It's up to the proponents to provide this, the, the site, um, and the plans itself and, and the height. Okay. And I know that this particular property is somewhat removed from the airport, but it's still, I would guess, on some flight paths to the airport. Is a 90-foot high tower gonna be problematic? To your worship, to Councilor Richter, uh, staff do take into consideration the, uh, re- requirements in relation to height restrictions and close proximity to the airport. Uh, my understanding is that does not, uh, uh, exceed those height requirements. I'll refer to Mr. Richardson as well just to confirm that item as well. To solve them, Mr. Kunnert, through you, Richard, to Councilor Richter. Th- that's correct. It has been, uh, reviewed and actually that the height was actually lowered in consideration of, of airport restrictions, your worship. Okay, thank you. Call the question on E18. Sorry, E17A. That carries unanimously. Item E18, press board move anything quickly. If there's any questions to staff, we could start with that. Seeing no questions, does anybody wish to move anything? Councilor Pratt. Yeah, I would move, uh, one, defer consideration of the application until council consideration of an updated Willoughby Community Plan and refer the applicant to staff to work with the address. Seconded by Council Ferguson. Is there any discussion? Do you wish to speak to that? Nope. Any other discussion? Seeing none, I'll call the question on 18.1. That carries unanimously. Bylaws for first and second reading, F1 Township of Langley Regional Context Statement Update, bylaw number 6163. I'll move it, seconded by Councilor Pratt. Is there any discussion on F1? Seeing none... Oh, Councilor Richter, go ahead. Oh, thank you. Uh, yes, I was just wondering, I know we're sending it, uh, so staff can schedule the public hearing on it, do we have any idea when this public hearing might occur? To your worship, to Councilor Richter, the public hearing will be scheduled at the next, uh, council meeting, which is October 6th, 2025. October 6th, 2025. Okay, thank you. Yeah, um, thank you. So, at this point I will, um, support this to move it along, um, uh, I'm interested to hear at the public hearing what comes up. Um, the point that jumps out at me is, um, the third, that Council endorse the proposed boundaries of the major transit growth corridor for submission to Metro Vancouver, which I note takes, um, that area now north of Highway One and, uh, surrounding the high- the...... 200 street interchange and, uh, the 202 underpass, um, uh, proposing high density, uh, throughout that area. And, um, I do have concerns, um, for our capacity to actually- (coughs) ... withstand high density around a major, um, i- interchange. So, but I, um, I, that's my concern only and so I, I would, I look forward to hearing from the public. Um, and if I'm off base on that, then I, I, I accept that and move on. Thanks. Call the question on F1. That carries unanimously. Item F2, official green plan amendment and rezoning application number 100302, file number 61546155. I'll move it. Is there a seconder? Seconded by Councilor Bailey. Is there any discussion on F2? Councilor Richter. Yeah, I know on pages 10 and also 12, (clears throat) that this particular, um, subject property is basically in a significant tree area. And the report says there are currently 172 significant trees, only 27 will be retained and post-development, there'll be a total of 107. So I'm just wondering, are any of the significant trees identified in the diagrams on page 10 and 12 being removed? Or are they all going to be protected? To Your Worship, Councilor Richter, could you just, uh, make, um, re-reference the specific, uh, attachment you're... Yeah, uh, well, it just says, "Land Use Concept Map 1" on page 10. And then it also says, "Land Use Context Map, Map 3" on page 12. So I'm just wanting to make sure that there's no significant trees coming out of that identified significant tree area. Unless they're already done. Uh, through Your Worship, Councilor Richter, the item you're referring to is the, the land use plan which has a generalized notation about, uh, areas where there could be potential significant trees as outlined in the land use plan in a general way. Mm-hmm. So when the application came forward, staff will review that internally with staff and outside consultants, and as you noted, delineated, uh, the significant trees on site as well as opportunities to retain trees within that context. So in this case, there's a total of 27 trees proposed to be retained. They're indicated in the site plan attached to the report, so staff have, uh, worked with the proponent to, um, keep the significant trees within, uh, that site planning context, noting the significant trees there and allowing for that form of development as well as retaining, uh, trees as a priority in terms of the overall site layout. Okay. Well, when I look at the site plan submitted by the applicant on page 14, I'm not quite seeing the same alignment between that site plan and the land use concept maps. Uh, through Your Worship, once again, to Councilor Richter, the land use concept map is itself a concept, so the detailed development review stage, uh, staff reviewed that with the proponents in terms of tree retention opportunities. You'll note, uh, central to the site is where the significant tree area is delineated so you can also see in the site plan there, where we've looked with the proponent to, uh, retain trees in that central area so that's reflected on the site plan as well as an, an environmental area to the south of the site that's also meant to accommodate a, a, uh, SPE area that's currently in, uh, 207th Street. So, uh, with a number of factors involved in, uh, the site there, um, the site plan is reflecting those. Yeah, well, a- a- again, when I look at the land use context map, it was contiguous throughout the entire parcel. Now it seems to be reduced to a bit in the center of the parcel. I'm just wondering, ultimately how healthy that's gonna be for significant trees or if they're all gonna start dying off. So, thank you. Seeing no discussion, I call the question on F2. That carries with Councilor Richter opposed. Item F3, official community plan amendment rezoning application number 100291, file number 60906091. Moved by Councilor Pratt, seconded by Councilor Bailey. Is there any discussion on F3? Councilor Richter. Yeah, uh, and again, I'm looking at the, uh, attached diagram. So on page eight, well, no, on page six it says that there are two significant trees on the site, none to be retained and 177 trees post-development, but then when I look at the picture on page F, or page, uh, ei- eight, attachment A, the aerial context map-It sure looks like there's more than two significant trees on that property. Or have they clear cut the whole property already? And this is an old map of it. Through your Worship to Councillor Richter, as you noted, this site is outside of the significant tree area that we, that's indicated on the, uh, the neighborhood plan. So this differs from the previous application Council just considered in that it's to the south of that identified significant tree area. Um, the aerial photo reflects the vegetative cover there now. The township's bylaw has a definition of significant trees, so when staff go through that with proponents, uh, in order, uh, for those significant trees in terms of health and structure for them to meet that significant tree threshold, that's been identified as only two on the site. And so that in combination with it being outside of the significant tree areas (laughs) outlined in the plan, uh, results in the, in the proposal that's been forwarded to your Worship. Okay, thank you. Yeah, thank you your Worship. Uh, no, notice says, uh, Mr. Richardson highlighted that there's no significant tree area demarcated on the land use concept here. But, uh, immediately to the south of the subject property, uh, when you look at that land use aerial map there, um, properties are significantly treed, but on the land use concept they're in blue. Does that blue represent, um, park, school? What is it? What's the idea with that site? Through your Worship, Council Pratt, they're held by the school district your Worship. Thank you very much. Recall the question on F3. That carries, Councillor Richter opposed. Bylaws for first, second, and third reading, tax sale redemption date extension bylaw number 6164. I'll move it, seconded by Councillor Rinne. Any discussion on G1? Councillor Richter? Um, yeah. I know on page one in the report it says that, um, if the township is the owner of a property, um, that the township can extend the exemption for that one property for another year. But I guess I'm wondering why this particular bylaw doesn't seem to identify the one particular property. And I'm wondering is if we give this first, second, and third reading, are we extending it for all of the properties for another year? Through your, uh, Worship to Councillor Richter, uh, with respect to G1, the bylaw itself, um, on, it's attached to the report in page four states the specific, uh, tax sale redemption period that we're requesting from Council, which is to extend to October 7th, 2026. It also provides the property address and the PID, PID number, parcel identification description, so it's, uh, quite specific in nature, um, for Council. Okay, so that makes it quite clear it's just the one property that's being extended for a year. Thank you. Call the question on G1. That carries unanimously. Uh, does anyone wish to make a Mayor and Council report on Metro Vancouver regional reports? Councillor Pratt. Yeah, thank you your Worship. Uh, along with many other, uh, events this weekend that I'm sure everybody else had the chance to go to, um, had the chance to go to the first ever Langley Air Fair, which was an absolutely amazing success. So I just wanted to commend the airport staff who, uh, are normally very diligent at running an airport, but, uh, they proved themselves pretty, pretty fantastic event planners as well. Uh, I don't know what the final count is but it seemed like it was on par with Canada Day, and, uh, it was nice because, uh, it brought back the, the memories of when Canada Day was at the airport years ago. So really well done to the airport staff on that one. Councillor Bailey? Yeah, it was, um, an honor, uh, on, uh, September the 11th to be asked to speak at the 9/11 ride about my experiences when I went back to, uh, uh, to New York to, uh, attend a couple funerals and a couple other aspects of, uh, what that, uh, journey entailed. Uh, 24 years, it seems like it's gone by, by so fast and, um, and just, and, and it's not ironic that, uh, just the other day was also the National Firefighters Memorial Day, uh, where, um, part of that is recognizing the 343, um, firefighters that, uh, that, uh, sacrificed themselves on that day. So it, um, you know, it's, it was great to see, and I used to be part of the organizing committee in that, and, uh, they contacted me and said that they didn't have anyone for the barbecue after. So I contacted the Township of Langley Firefighters Local 4550 and, uh, they gladly jumped into the breach and, uh, supplied the barbecue and got some donations for their charitable thing. So thank you very much to, uh, 4550's charities. We'll move on to, oh, Councillor Ferguson. Yeah, okay, thank you. Thank you. I gotta, uh, do the Metro Vancouver at the same time?Okay. And, um, the, uh, Zero Waste Committee, uh, is moving ahead with, um, a lot of changes and design for, uh, improvements to our transportation. So our residents will be all- allowed to ha- have a much improved transportation. And, uh, the Zero Waste Committee is working towards being one of the best zero waste collection facilities, not just Langley but the region, throughout the whole country. So our numbers are up and, uh, doing very well with recycling. I always encourage our people to recycle and reuse whenever possible. Oh, and, uh, I would say, well I said before, earlier is, uh, that, uh, was at the Terry Fox Run, had the one side and there's the other side, it says, "Finish It." And, uh, on the back of, of the jersey is, uh, Terry Fox's quote from 1990, it's the 45th year. "All I can say is that if there is any way that I can get out there and finish it, I will." And so, this, again, the state was Finish It. It was very good and, uh, it was held by, in the city there and it was good, we have a good relationship with the city, so thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. That's it. All right. Does anybody have any questions on the items for information M1 through 4? Councilor Bailey. I just wanna make sure that I am reading this correct. Uh, on M3, page five, I would like to, uh, when I'm looking at this graph here, um, I don't think I'm understanding it properly. Uh, uh, so to staff, through the Chair, when I'm looking at all the graphs prior to, um, this year, uh, to... Are those complete years? These are at June 30th. I'm, I'm sorry? The, the, uh, graph on page five, you're looking at the development cost charges. Correct. Those are as of June 30th. S- so this year's, uh, 2025 is as of June 30th, correct? Correct. The years prior to that, are they also measured at June 30th? Correct. Okay. So this is the most money that we've, we've got in, uh, going back to 2016? Correct. Thank you. Okay, move on to Councilor Richter. Go ahead, item 01. Oh, um, I'm withdrawing the motion to, uh, work on the wording. Thank you. Ms. Bauer, does a member of council have an option to move another member's notice of motion? They have the option to not move it, yeah. But does another member of council, since it's on the agenda, have the option to move it? As with any motion, it doesn't hit the floor until it's moved by someone. So it was on the agenda, it was not... It... And Councilor Richter has chosen not to move it. But can someone else move it since it's on the agenda? Um... Uh, we wouldn't move it unless the mover was actually... The person who placed it on the agenda was at the meeting, but I do not believe there's anything against someone moving it. Great. I'll move it. Is there a seconder? Seconded by Councilor Ren. Um, point of order. Yeah, go ahead. Point of order. This has not happened with other notices of motion that have been withdrawn, so why is it happening with this one? How is that possible? Ms. Bauer? 'Cause it's not withdrawn, it's on the agenda. Is that, is that correct? Was it removed from the agenda? It was not removed from the agenda at the beginning of the meeting, so it is currently on the agenda. It would be... Uh, generally with motions, they would be moved by the person who supplied them on the agenda. Uh, in this case, uh, the mover is here so the rule of not having it on the agenda doesn't apply. Uh, and there would be nothing that I can think of that would stop it from being moved. Okay. It's just generally not done. Yep. So the motion's on the floor, it's been moved and seconded. Um, I don't have anything to add. Does anybody wish to speak to it? Councilor Richter does. Yeah, I wish to speak to it. I wish to amend it then. Go ahead. Um, and I wish to change the phrase, um, "be permitted" to read "be paid for by Township of Langley." All right. Is there a seconder to that amendment? Not seeing a seconder. Councilor Richter. Okay, thank you. Thank you. So I'm gonna move referral of, uh, this motion, that 01 be referred to staff to, for review and potential incorporation into council policy 01025, with recommendations for council to consider to ensure consistency with the Township of Langley's code of conduct. Is there a seconder of that referral? Second. Seconded by Councilor Bailey. So the referral's on the floor. Does anybody have any questions or wish to speak to it? I'm seeing no... Oh, Councilor Martins. Yeah. Only that I have... This is the first time hearing of that referral motion. Is it possible to have that in front of us so we can see what we're voting on? Ms. Bauer, do you have it? No, that one was not supplied to me. Yeah, so I think it's... Just gonna reread it again. Be referred to staff for review and potential incorporation into council policy 01025, the recommendations for council to consider to ensure consistency with the Township of Langley's code of conduct.Great. Seeing no other speakers, I'll call the question on that referral. That carries with Councillor Koontz, Councillor Martins, Councillor Richter opposed. We move on to 02, uh, going to declare conflicts given the clause number, clause number two, contained within the motion. So I have Acting Mayor Pratt take over for this motion. Great. Uh, and just for clarification, because there was a, a moment of confusion for myself as well, there are three different ther- uh, therefore clauses on this one, not two. Um, and so I will open the queue for speakers, and first up is Councillor Bailey. Yeah, as- Sorry, before you do that. Uh, mover and seconder? Moved by Councillor Bailey, seconded by Councillor Rent. Thank you very much. Councillor Bailey, can you press your button again, thank you very much. So as the mover, yes, I would like to, um, uh, vote on each one of these three. And the order, uh, uh, I understand I can do that. And am I correct, Ms. Barr? Um, at this point, because it was moved as one motion, it would require a motion to divide. 'Cause it was moved all as one, you now have to move to divide (whispers) each of the clauses. Yes, I, I so move. I'll second that. So, open the queue to vote on this bot- Yes, on your screen you should now see something that says Motion Seven. Come on. So it's been moved to divide the three therefore clauses. So we're voting on each individually? Okay. Point of order. Point of order. Sorry. (whispers) Divide the three therefore clauses. Go ahead. Divide, go ahead. Uh, Division generally doesn't have debate. It's just a motion to divide. Uh, I don't have... There we go, Motion Seven. Yeah, this will be Motion Eight, please. Thank you. (laughs) (laughs) (whispers) Got it now. (laughs) Okay, thanks. Um, eh, yeah, I'm bringing this forward and, um, and it kind of covers all three off, but since they are, uh, dealing with different aspects of it, and we're dealing with one, I just want to say that, uh, when I, uh, brought this motion, uh, the first motion forward, um, a couple months ago, uh, I made a mistake of looking at it through my eyes, very political eyes, thinking that moving the crosswalk from, (clicks tongue) from, uh, Fort Langley, uh, to the tow- uh, the City Hall itself would make a stronger, uh, political message. And, uh, yeah, I was wrong, and that's why I re- removed it. So every email that came in, I answered. Some were very passionate. Almost every one of them were reasonable, and, uh, and it was a great opportunity. Some of them that would accept the fact of, of, uh, talking about it, again were, were very passionate and very reasonable. And, and I w- I recognize the fact that since I am not a member of the queer community, uh, I looked at this very differently. So one of the, the points that came up all the time was that the, uh, crosswalk made, uh, people in that community safe... Feel safe and included, and I didn't agree with that. Uh, seeing that the, uh, the, uh, shape of that, uh, crosswalk, and, and Ms. Barr, can I get you to put that, uh, picture of that crosswalk up, please? To me, with different eyes than, uh, the people in the community, I saw that this was not safe or inclusive, uh, seeing this disrespect. I found it to be an insult not only to the queer community, but to Fort Langley and to the township of Langley itself. Can you imagine, especially someone from, from out of town, uh, coming in and seeing that and, uh, s- uh, even more, uh, people in the queer community seeing this? I don't think it would make them feel safe and included. But one argument that came up, especially from, uh, two women I was speaking to, was that they, they viewed it as backing down from the bully.... and that I understand. I have fought that kind of s- those kind of battles all my life. And, uh, that struck a, that struck a real chord with me. And I realize the fact that, uh, that if that's how the people in Fort Langley and the community feel, then I have to adapt to that. S- but I look at this, uh, and, you know, like, why do I look at this so much, and why did I bring this up? And I want to read a quote. "A criminal offense committed against a person or property motivated in whole or in partly the offender's," and in quotes, "real or perceived bias, prejudice, or hate against an identifiable group." That's the definition of a hate crime, the legal definition of it. And that is how I view this. This is a symbol now of hate to me, so I'm not gonna let this go. I'm going to keep going. The past practice for eight years has been paint it and pray that it doesn't happen again, and that is not good enough for me. So I have been speaking to, um, people in, uh, that are lawyers, people d- uh, talking to the RCMP, and they do not view this as me overstating this is a hate crime. So I will be, uh, staying on this. I will be, uh, looking on ways to prosecute people who do this anymore in the future, and I will be pushing for maximum penalties in the future. And I want everyone who, who dares to do this kind of stuff to th- these symbols, uh, to pay a maximum penalty. Uh, I am sick and tired of this. I have, all my life, associated with people in the queer community. In fact, there are bins in the back of my truck right now that, after tonight, for 15 years we deliver bread to an organization that, uh, services the queer community. And, uh, anyone who, uh, thinks, and some people have brought up that they think I am homophobic, then they truly don't know me, and they don't know the people that I associate with. So this is very passionate for me. I will not stand back, just paint and pray. We have researched if this is the proper paint to do, and, uh, yes, uh, the paint that we're using is better than the thermoplastic that was in, in Fort Langley. Uh, there's the, um, the question of, of utilizing lights to do this, and, uh, I was advised that, uh, that won't be very, uh, very good, uh, during the day. So I am going along with, uh, moving this to first in this one, show that this community stands with people in the queer community. We don't run from bullies. And also, uh, if you look at the colors on that crosswalk, it's outdated. So I wanna make sure that when we do, uh, uh, take care of this crosswalk, that it is updated to whatever the current standard is. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Wertheim. Yeah. Um, when was this, the date of the photo? Was that done just recent, taken just recently, or is this an older photo? No, that was this morning. This morning? Okay. Thank you. And also, I don't know if staff can answer this, but it pertains to, uh, number two that's coming up. Um, how many times a year does this happen? Uh, I mean, are staff out weekly doing this? Uh, I don't know if I can comment exactly how often it happens, but it is regularly. Uh, we do have cameras in the area, which we're monitoring, and staff do go out and pressure wash and clean, uh, when they can. Okay. So, so it's happening more than once in a year? Correct. Okay. Thank you. Councillor Ferguson. Yes. I appreciate Councillor, uh, Bailey's honesty, particularly the point that, uh, not going in front of the hall and staying there, where a lot of people that wrote and, uh, sent emails and phone calls otherwise. Yes, it's, um, it's a, a safety hazard and also a situation that, uh, people shouldn't be doing those kind of things. And if they can be caught, either by traffic light or, or by something else, I'm not sure how, uh, they should serve, uh, um, a maximum penaltly- penalty of some sort. So I appreciate, um, Councillor Bailey's, uh, involvement with this. And as, as a teacher I worked with, uh, many of the people from that community, and, um, I, I look forward... I'll be supporting this motion. Thank you. Uh, seeing no other speakers, I'll call the question on the first paragraph. And that's carried unanimously. I'll open the floor to speakers on the, uh... Ms. Bauer, before we do that, they've been divided, but we need a mover and a seconder for each paragraph. No? No, they were divided before division, so they're ready to go. Perfect. Thank you. So I'll open up the, the floor to any speakers for the second paragraph.Counselor Martins. Yes, thank you. Um, and, uh, just to clarify, so what we're looking at now is the phrase that counsel further confirms that both township of Langley Rainbow Crosswalks are to be restored to a fully pristine, undamaged state a minimum of four times per year or more frequently as may be needed, and that annual funding of $25,000 per year be included within the 2026 budget five-year financial plan to support this maintenance program. Um, so, um, let me start by saying I stand with this community. Um, I, I love this crosswalk, and I love that people have an opportunity to feel safe in our community that identify with that. Um, I heard earlier a comment about certain research has been done and what doesn't work. Um, I don't believe all of counsel's been provided with that research. Um, so what I would say is my own research. Um, uh, a- an- a recent example lives in Nanaimo. Um, earlier this year, uh, they, uh, they upgraded their, their crosswalk actually, and they used, um, preformed 3 millimeter thick thermoplastic tiles, um, that were melted into the road using radiant heat, similar to other durable crosswalks, um, but with pre-designed tiles for the mural. Um, and this, uh, durability and slip proofing is expected to last 20 to 30 years and requiring only annual pressure washing for maintenance. So, um, while the upfront investment, I assume, um, would be greater, um, than what we're looking at now, um, it reduces the number of times that we need to go there and, and clean this up to keep it in a pristine condition as we certainly would like. Um, so, uh, I'm a little concerned with the way this is worded, that it does not allow for perhaps better technologies and newer ways of doing things. Um, and the one thing I would say about, um, uh, the criminal code, about hate crime, um, they're targeting it, um, community. Um, it certainly is hate crime, and I, and I know there's a lot of questions about why we don't see more prosecution on this aspect. Um, there are... Having worked in law enforcement and knowing the application of the criminal code, um, in enforcement, um, and writing up reports to Crown counsel, um, for charges, uh, there's a lot of elements of, um, law that make it actually a lot more difficult than just recognizing, um, somebody did this, and they're getting slapped with hate crime. There's a very high standard, a court standard for evidence. Um, and in the law enforcement world, the preference is actually, um, that rather than enforce their way out of things and, um, work harder to try and manage to accomplish that, which we haven't as long as, uh, the criminal code's been around, is, um, an item called, uh, CPTED, Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design. And so I go back to the example of Nanaimo's crosswalk that would alleviate the expectation for cameras and enforcement and a legal and, uh, uh, very large cost on that end by creating a design that prevents the damage from happening in the first place. That's usually the best way to approach these things, and I also believe that that would be very respectful of the community, um, that this is intended to provide a safe place for. Um, so, uh, I, I'm just struggling with this prescribed route. And the reason I asked earlier about, um, not dividing, and if I could comment on it, is because I think the third bullet actually, um, does head towards what I would like to see, uh, when it's talking about pres- preferred design and configuration as may evolve from time to time. And I felt that last point allows for ho- perhaps for us to look at better ways to build this crosswalk, um, such as the Nanaimo example. So, um, being that we've divided them, I will go along with this because my first point being I support this, I support this crosswalk, and we need to do better, um, by the community. Um, but I really hope also in supporting point three that perhaps we could look towards a better way to do this moving forward. Thank you. Councilor Bailey. So I asked staff to look into the thermoplastic in Nanaimo, and the reply back was that the paint that we're using is the best solution. And when you look at, uh, doing this, uh, four times a year, this paint can also stand up apparently to pressure washing. So it doesn't need to be repainted, uh, four times a year or that, but it needs to be looked at more than once every two or three years, uh, like it currently is. So we have looked at the, uh, the thermoplastic in Nanaimo, and it was, uh, decided and, uh, conveyed to me that the best way is the pla- the paint that we're utilizing right now. Also, I've spoken to, uh, the RCMP about prosecution on this kind of stuff and the levels of prosecution. Uh, there is a certain level that you can prosecute if you can see the face of the person in a, uh, video. And there is also a level of prosecution that can take place if you only get the license plate. So I've been looking into this. This looks like, uh, uh, the way to go, and I want to make sure that, um, everyone understands that, uh, we're not gonna stand by and see this constant, uh, this constant disfiguring and dis- uh, disregard to the, um-... to the ways th- that the queer community looks at this very important symbol for them. So, uh, yes, I... That's, that's why I've crafted this in this fashion. Councilor Kunst. Yeah, I support this motion, and I support whatever paint anybody wants to use. I just want to see these rainbow crosswalks, um, in whatever the best condition that, that they can be and not all marked up, um, for the entirety of the year before we get around to it. So, um, I, I do support this motion. Seeing no other speakers, we'll open the vote on the second paragraph. And that carries unanimously. Move, Sir. Don't need one, but thank you. Sure thing. (laughs) Uh, if everybody who could or who wanted to speak on the third paragraph... Thank you. Councilor Bailey. Yeah, the reason I put this is, uh, put this in there is because I did it too late last time, quite bluntly. Uh, I, I've told... I phoned them in, uh, Langley Pride Society that I was gonna do this. Uh, there was no reaction. But mind you, they were... I gave them only hours of notice. So, uh, I wanna make sure that this is an ongoing discussion with people who are involved in this, uh, community. And, uh, you know, like right now, there's only, I believe, eight colors on this, on the, um, on the current crosswalk. I believe, uh, currently, there is a different design and up to 13 colors. So I wanna make sure that, uh, that we're talking to, to the, the people in the community and who deal directly with the community. That's why the Langley School District is also in there, and anyone else who, uh, would have, uh, the ability to speak, uh, with a lot more wisdom than myself, uh, regarding this crosswalk, and making sure that it truly is a symbol of safety and inclusivity. Thank you, Councilor Bailey. Seeing no other speakers, I'll call the question on the third paragraph. And that carries unanimously if, uh... Yep. Thanks, Councilor. Okay, move on to item 03. I'll move that. Is there a seconder? Seconded by Councilor Wrind. Uh, this motion is that the, therefore be it resolved that staff direct staff to install a plaque within the new accessible council delegation area within the Fraser River Presentation Theatre in recognition of Zosia Edinburg, and lasting contributions to accessibility on the Township of Langley. There's been sign- significant accessibility upgrades to the Fraser River Presentation Theatre, which are great if you look for them. And, uh, the advocacy of people like Zosia is, is why this is, uh, such an important project they got done here this summer. And, uh, I think it's a great idea to honor her in some way right here in the theater. So, um, move on to speakers. Councilor Kunst. Yeah, I- I really appreciate this. Um, Zosia was an amazing advocate for accessibility, and I can only imagine how thrilled she is right now that we are, are, um, moving this and that she gets to be a little part of, of the township's accessibility. Um, yeah, a little plaque. So that's, that's really great. Thank you. I appreciate, Mr. Mayor, you putting this forward, as Zosia was very, very, uh, um, an advocate and a champion for many need. And, uh, she used to lecture us the odd time at seniors' committees and, um, and of course, at Chambers of Commerce and wherever she was in the community. She was a great person. She will be missed, and I'll be looking forward to having this plaque up. Thank you. Call the question on 03. That carries unanimously. Uh, item 04, that the council direct staff to report to council with an assessment of tennis court utilization and capacity within the Township of Langley with potential recommendations for council to consider. Seconded by Councilor Ferguson. Any discussion on 04? Councilor Martins. Yeah, um, I'm just wondering when you say, um, tennis court utilization, um, are staff going to be, um, attending tennis courts and taking attendance numbers, or like, how, how are they sorting out with the utilization is 'cause I'm just thinking it is certainly, um, certain seasons of the year, um, a lot more popular than others, other than the, I'd say, like the hardcore tennis users. Um, if maybe I could get some information about how they would go about, um, accomplishing that task.Your Worship to Councilor Martins, our staff would be taking it, uh, and looking at it from a holistic approach where it would be, uh, potentially reaching out to user groups, uh, and seeing the usage. Um, also potentially looking at historic usage or actually, uh, during certain seasons seeing what the, uh, use has been through the parks department or complaint-driven, et cetera, or looking at other municipalities and comparing, uh, their, uh, utilization or how many courts they have per population. So it would be a variety of measures we'd be looking at and reporting back to council. And I'll defer to my colleague, Mr. Winshaw as well, if there's anything further for him to add. I think that pretty much covers it, Mr. Kunert. And, uh, Mr. Rule and his staff will have some, uh, some suggestions as we start to talk about it. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate the answer. All right. I call the question on 04. That carries unanimously. Councilor Pratt, go ahead. Yeah. Thank you, Your Worship, and, uh, through yourself before I move this, before yourself ... Uh, through yourself to staff, quick question, Ms. Bauer, uh, would I be able to move it slightly amended to include another, um, organization to consult, or should that be an amendment once it's moved and seconded? No, if you'd like to move it differently at this point, that would be appropriate. Uh, I'd like to add after the, uh, Aldergrove Heritage Society, the Birchland Creek Enhancement Society. So moved. That's been moved. Sorry, here. That's been moved as amended. Is there a seconder to that? I'll second. Seconded by Councilor Rentz. Uh, go ahead, Councilor Pratt. Yeah. Thank you, Your Worship. Uh, I know that, uh, the, the Heritage Society there, Tammy, she's been doing fantastic work for a long time, and she's, uh, brought this up time and time again. And I think it's time to, uh, hopefully start the ball rolling, um, on, uh, seeing what we can do with that, that park, bring it to its full potential, and, uh, excited to see what, uh, this might turn into. Council Lutz? Yeah. Really happy to see this. Um, yeah, uh, I think Tammy from the Aldergrove Heritage Society, she's pretty passionate about her little space there, and it's, uh, deteriorating, and I think it wouldn't take a whole lot to get that up and, uh, looking beautiful again. And, um, so I appreciate that this is, this is here and look forward to seeing some changes down there. Thanks. Yeah. I obviously support it, and I also appreciate Council Pratt advancing it to the council table to, uh, actually get it done. So I call the question on 05. That carries unanimously. Any other business? Not, not seeing any other business, uh, Ms. Bauer, I have one legal item. Does anybody else have any items for closed? No. Can I motion to resolve into closed? Moved by Councilor Rentz, second by Councilor Bailey. All those in favor? Opposed? Carried. Got a motion to terminate. Moved. Move by Councilor Pratt, seconded by Councilor Bailey. All those in favor? Opposed? Then that's carried. Thanks .